The End in the Beginning – SPOILER CHAT

ForensicMama wrote:On Booth's dream, I think that people are reading too much into it. It doesn't matter, really, what Booth dreamed. What matters is the fact that they had that little conversation where Booth said it seemed so real and Brennan had to say, "It wasn't real." *sobs again* Because she WANTS it to be real.

Gah. I loved the Brennan character development in this episode. I was so yearning for this from the beginning of this season! *bows to HH*

*joins Mama in beginning a procession line of bowing before the almighty HH*

Meegs82 wrote:

i_heart_bones wrote:i would just like to also toot my own horn (cause no one will listen to me )
im very impressed with myself for picking the finale...obviously not the specific details, but the whole thing being an AU with booth waking up in the last few minutes...very impressed with myself indeed!

Did you think of it, too?!?! I totally had this epiphany a couple of nights ago that the epi would be AU and he would wake up at the end and have amnesia. Great minds think alike! (I know, that's a really stupid saying )

I certainly did! so proud. i read all about your ephiphany. awesome work meegs!!!
and yes i assume we both have great minds!!

i_heart_bones wrote:
Ouch. poor bones!

Guess i have to disagree with everything
bringing back tessa, sully, not being able to work together? this would just be repeating past seasons...the show has to move forward. things have to be kept exciting and new.
Booth trying to work to win her back? i think that would get old a lot more quickly than 2 seasons worth of episodes...

Wow, I agree so much, I feel like sending you flowers.

Seriously, the day they bring back Sully or Tessa is the day I turn off the tv/computer and join a jogging club. And I don't do jogging.

Personally, I'm glad that they had the balls to do something different. Sure the amnesia has happened a lot, but again, it could be managed really well. I doubt it'll be the "I don't know who I am" kind of thing, but rather a missing-memory-chunk type-thing that can actually be associated with injuries and/or swelling. That'd make more sense. And it would create more conflict between the characters because, it's not that the he doesn't remember, it's that he doesn't remember Them. But speculation aside:

And yes, I know I can't shut up, please forgive me for my plethora of posts! But, the problem here is the HYPE and the SPOILERS. Seriously. Even if you didn't read spoilers, you had to have heard about B&B being "naked in bed." Emily and David both talked about it in interviews.

Yes! That's always the problem. Always, in all fandoms. God I wish I didn't know that first hand. Not even the interviews, the interviews eare suitably vague, but the spoiler details like those provided by Aussiello (who was actually kind of right this time. God, the world is ending), or Kristen (who basically toyed with the fans -again, job description) are the ones that prove the most damaging; everyone puts their own spin on things and creates certain expectations (expectations that are very rarely met, btw, whether positive or not.).

I'm still happy. Bring on S5, I say. *Bows along with mama and Meegs.*

i_heart_bones wrote:i would just like to also toot my own horn (cause no one will listen to me )
im very impressed with myself for picking the finale...obviously not the specific details, but the whole thing being an AU with booth waking up in the last few minutes...very impressed with myself indeed!

Heeh. Can I do that too? 'Cause I kinda expected that, as well. For a minute I thought the sex might be real, because that would have thrown me off, but no. It was exactly what I'd thought at first. And no baby! *dances* I'm so infinitely grateful for that being a fake-out. Man, you have no idea.

Meegs82 wrote:

heirofloki wrote:@ Milky. Agree with everything you said (particularly what mama quoted lol) And thanks to DB for quoting the dialogue. Seriously, how can you hear her think that and say this episode was wasted. I was on LJ and when I found out she was the one typing, I posted "I think I just died". It just completely changed the ep for me. Right until then I'd had fun with the AU, not expecting much in the matter of substance (as I thougt it'd be AU anyway). But the minute I found out this was Brennan's writing, my heart just broke. Even without the amnesia, that she was opening like that was a saddening thing, because it really signaled to me, how afraid she was of losing him. Aw, now I'm sad all over.

Which one is more of a cheat? I'd say the kiss. With the sex, though it didn't happen, there's not way to deny that one of them wants it. The kiss they just swept under the rug as a wish of caroline, nothing more. And I didn't mind one bit that Brennan says she doesn't want to be a crime fighter. Listen what she says before that about the lies and awfulness. I actually liked it because it shows that it gets to her, that it wears on her and that maybe, she'd want to experience that whole happy life that she hears people talking about but that right until now she'd never let herself imagine.

As for anesthesia reactions being rare, well, both my parents have had ridiculous reactions to anesthesia (one of them almost died in post-op, the other one, to this day, doesn't remember what happened), so, you know...And it is television. Whatever happens to the 0.1% of the population, happens to this 0.1%

You read my mind...AGAIN!!!

I hadn't read the thread again--been quite busy--so I hadn't read that post.
Well, the same happened to me. Until I realized what had happened thanks to those last couple of mins I had enjoyed--quite--the dream. But knowing it was Bren (yeah, and Booth... but BREN?)? it changed it all to me. The very first thing that came into my mind was the "Do you love me?" from the beginning, and all the meaning behind that.

I still think this was a brilliant episode.

THX,

would you mind me asking what you liked abou the Con Man in the Meth Lab? It suprises me because I feel SO much the same way as you about the quality of the writing this season (I feel like you're in my head sometimes! Not in a creepy way though), but I had a REALLY big issue with that particular episode. It was one line of dialogue that killed the whole episode for me: Brennan telling Jared that "he made her think Booth was a loser." How insulting of the writers to imply that Brennan's concept of Booth's character could be so easily dismantled, by a near stranger none the less. Though, I did think the end was touching, and promised us a deeper look into Booth's past (that we never got). I really am very curious to know your thoughts on this episode!

Shelly wrote:THX,

would you mind me asking what you liked about the Con Man in the Meth Lab? It suprises me because I feel SO much the same way as you about the quality of the writing this season (I feel like you're in my head sometimes! Not in a creepy way though), but I had a REALLY big issue with that particular episode. It was one line of dialogue that killed the whole episode for me: Brennan telling Jared that "he made her think Booth was a loser." How insulting of the writers to imply that Brennan's concept of Booth's character could be so easily dismantled, by a near stranger none the less. Though, I did think the end was touching, and promised us a deeper look into Booth's past (that we never got). I really am very curious to know your thoughts on this episode!

I had/have huge issues with this episode from the perspective of character continuity. To put it bluntly, there's no way in hell that I can accept the Brennan we've come to know for three and a half years taking everything she knows about Booth, all of the evidence she's built up about his character, who he is as a man, a partner, and a friend, and just drops it in the dust bin because of a few slick words, a smarmy smile, and a quick kiss from Jared Booth, a man she's known for a few hours. Honestly it's one of the biggest WTF? writer missteps in the season. I've heard the explanation/excuse that Brennan was acting under the theory that Jared, who was raised with Booth, would have better insight into his brother than She would. Bullcrap. At the very least the real Temperance Brennan would have questioned Jared's assertions, instead of swallowing them hook, line, and sinker. The folks who maintain that she had every reason to believe Jared because of his history with Booth can't explain to me why Brennan wouldn't give Cam's words similar weight when she's known both Booth boys longer than Brennan. If A then B, is logical if A not B is not.

That said there were two bits of the episode that salvage it for me, the thirty seconds in the observation room where Booth confronts Brennan about being a loser and the last few minutes where she gave her speech, and they sat outside sharing cake, talking. That's it. The case aspect of the episode was okay, nothing really special, and the rest of the Jared bits were annoying and simply served to further drive the show off center. Look, the writers felt the need to show some Booth backstory and have a little Booth and Brennan character development, as well as toss a monkey wrench into the relationship which was swimming along at that point. This was the result. It was no different than any fanfic where Booth or Brennan does something totally out of character, or an OC shows up, for the sole purpose of advancing a larger plot line. It was contrived, written in a ham fisted manner and fed to us via a metaphorical lavage tube.

Now having said all of that, I will admit to having also called this episode the most significant character growth episode for Booth and one of the best dramatic episodes of the season. How do I reconcile these disparate stances? Simple, I accept that season four was an utter catastrophe from the point of consistency and continuity, and instead simply look for the good and move on, also I wrote a fanfic to get rid of the demons as it were. I call it 'A Pivotal Moment'. It's a little angsty.

Robert Modean


Link to FF story underlined in blue.

I never liked the Jared arch, maybe because they never really DID anything with him. They use him to rattle chains and then he disappears into the wood work. I liked him even less in The Beaver in the Otter as, I dunno what that was...a way to scare new comers into thinking Booth might actually leave? To amp up drama? It was meaningless to the long time viewers. Though I have to say that I think the show has had issues with character continuity throughout, and...I think it might have been you that mentioned it in another thread about sweeping emotional issues under the rug for convenience, like Booth's funeral, and poor Zack. I had a HUGE problem with how everyone was just like.."hey! Booth's not dead! Cool." and went right back to work. Sweets SHOULD have had a field day with that. Well, I'm just rambling now because I got up at 5am...thanks for your insight, and I'm amped up to check out your fanfiction!