Re: 5x14 The Devil in the Details ~ SHOW DISCUSSION

by SnoopGirl on Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:02 pm

Finally watched the episode (again) and I actually liked it. Interesting case, great Hodgins scene knocking himself out, Sweets was wonderful, Booth was being wonderful Booth (he keeps things real) and Cam strutting her stuff in the lab.
The ending scene was WONDERFUL!

If there is another scene about Temperance and her f'ing GPS I am going to scream!
Booth was SO out of place in her passenger seat. And what happened to her silver Mercedes? I would think that someone of her status and money would drive something nicer. Booth looked very crowded in that seat.

Temperance's character is frigging annoying with all her babbling about how this and that was used in certain cultures way back when. Once in a while sure, but not every time someone opens their mouth. What the heck was with that Apology? The doctor that stood up to her was AWESOME!

I was "Way to go Booth" when he kept her out of the interrogation room. cheers

Her character is inconsistent. She wants to be more like Booth, takes steps forward and then this episode happens. Serious lack of consistency. She either wants to leave her opinions at the interrogation door and get what needs to be gotten out of suspects to solve the case or forget being a part of any interrogations. This going back and forth is nauseating.

by the beaver1965 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:13 am

JMO!!!! This episode was sub par to me.Any episode that doesn't have a lot DB/Booth in it is not up to Bones standards. Emily has said that the reason this show is a success is because Boreanaz is so handsome. I happen to agree with her. Two other negatives. First, What's with Sweets doing most of the questioning of the suspects.. Second, What's with Brennan flirting with any man that even only smiles at her.

by treble21 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:45 am

the beaver1965 wrote:JMO!!!! This episode was sub par to me.Any episode that doesn't have a lot DB/Booth in it is not up to Bones standards. Emily has said that the reason this show is a success is because Boreanaz is so handsome. I happen to agree with her. Two other negatives. First, What's with Sweets doing most of the questioning of the suspects.. Second, What's with Brennan flirting with any man that even only smiles at her.

Well I'm not touching the Brennan thing but I can answer the Sweets question he was interrogating the suspects in this case because they had mental issues, it makes sense that they would have the psychologist interview them, he'd have a much better idea how get the answers needed without upsetting them.

While I agree this was a mediocre episode ,I don't agree with the idea that that is soley because DB had a reduced role ( which btw I never even noticed when watching the epi, it was only after it was pointed out to me by other posters that I noticed he wasn't on air as much as usual, but I think it was still more air time than he had in The Princess and the Pear) .
I'm a huge huge DB fan (I think he's ridiculously hot) but he does not make this show for me, he's definately a part of it, but so is ED, TJ,MC,JFD, and TT all the regulars on this show are phoenomenal and likeable, IMO the reason this episode lacked was because it was mostly ( unless your down with the JELLY!!) a filler episode, (which I would characterize as an episode with very little or no character development or movement) every season has them ( last season had a LOT of them) this is one of very few so far this season ( I think the only other one I would categorize as filler would be The Gamer in the Grease). It just tends to make the great moments all the more wonderful, because you don't see them every episode.

by SnoopGirl on Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:48 am

Second, What's with Brennan flirting with any man that even only smiles at her.

Yes! What's with that :?:

by Meegs82 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:01 am

I know it's annoying that she's flirting with Hacker and now with the mental patient. But, I don't think Brennan has completely figured out that she's in love with Booth. She kinda thinks so, but when it comes down to it, Brennan responds to men who are CLEARLY interested in her. Booth is so damned subtle about everything that she doesn't completely see it. BUT Hacker is BLATANTLY pursuing her and she responds to that because that is what she is used to...men paying attention to her. She can't help but respond to them. Booth is going to have to smack her upside the head or, better yet, plant a LONG frustrated kiss on her lips before she is gonna completely get it. Until then, we can expect to see her flirting, 'cuz from her perspective, she isn't doing it in a "flirtatious" way, if that makes sense. She is simply responding to a member of the opposite sex who is interested in her...it's just who she is.

Also, with Womack the mental patient, I kinda think she was really just connecting with him on an intellectual level, not really flirting. She was intrigued that he could still be so empirical when he himself was a "psychiatrist."

by the beaver1965 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:09 am

To Meegs82, You make a valid point about her flirting. She is used to men trying to hit on her. After all she is beautiful. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the men she seems to be interested in are not remotely attractive. Hacker and now the mental patient. I have to disagree with you about Booth making the first move. People have already told her that Booth has feelings for her (Angela and the physic Harmonia), and yet she continues to go along like those conversations didn't exsist. It is up to her to make the move if indeed she does love Booth. I may be wrong but that's the way that I see it.

by THX1138 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:37 am

Meegs82 wrote:I know it's annoying that she's flirting with Hacker and now with the mental patient. But, I don't think Brennan has completely figured out that she's in love with Booth. She kinda thinks so, but when it comes down to it, Brennan responds to men who are CLEARLY interested in her. Booth is so damned subtle about everything that she doesn't completely see it. BUT Hacker is BLATANTLY pursuing her and she responds to that because that is what she is used to...men paying attention to her. She can't help but respond to them. Booth is going to have to smack her upside the head or, better yet, plant a LONG frustrated kiss on her lips before she is gonna completely get it. Until then, we can expect to see her flirting, 'cuz from her perspective, she isn't doing it in a "flirtatious" way, if that makes sense. She is simply responding to a member of the opposite sex who is interested in her...it's just who she is.

I agree that she's not quite there. I was so ready for Brennan 2.0 and after her toast I thought she was there, honestly I wish they'd switched these two episodes and she would be there but it's clear that we're looking at Brennan 1.75. Of course I do think she's ready to be in love with Booth, she's just convinced herself that he's not in love with her, I'm sure she thinks she knows him well enough that she'd know if he was, just like Booth thought he'd know if she was in love with him. If I'm right and that's the reason, then she's responding to men who show an interest only because she's sure he's not intereste. You'll note she doesn't pursue them, but she encourages them if they pursue her. Hacker made a move on her, she responded. Womack engaged her, she responded. When Brennan actually initiates a move, then we need to worry - and in the sides, when she talks about Coffee with Hacker, what we need to be cognizant of is, did she approach him about going out for coffee or the other way around? If it's the latter then no biggy, if it's the former it's a sign that she's getting ready to move on.

Also, with Womack the mental patient, I kinda think she was really just connecting with him on an intellectual level, not really flirting. She was intrigued that he could still be so empirical when he himself was a "psychiatrist."

I'd agree. I think their connection was intellectual, and she was intrigued at someone so obviously embracing the rational/empirical side of things and yet ostensibly working as a mental health care professional. I also think her response was openly flirtatious. Brennan is pretty transparent when she deals with men. If she's interested she shows interest, and she showed interest in Womack.

the beaver1965 wrote:To Meegs82, You make a valid point about her flirting. She is used to men trying to hit on her. After all she is beautiful. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the men she seems to be interested in are not remotely attractive. Hacker and now the mental patient. I have to disagree with you about Booth making the first move. People have already told her that Booth has feelings for her (Angela and the physic Harmonia), and yet she continues to go along like those conversations didn't exsist. It is up to her to make the move if indeed she does love Booth. I may be wrong but that's the way that I see it.

There's something else to consider here. Brennan has basically taken herself off the market since Jared. She's been celibate longer than that, but Jared was the last man she dated until Hacker. Her relationship with Booth has been one where I think she's waiting for some sign that he really does love her. Yes, she's heard it from Angela and Harmonia that Booth loves her, but Angela has been saying it for years so she's discounted automatically, and Harmonia is a psychic and Brennan would sooner admit the efficacy of psychology than listen to a psychic. No, she's convinced that she knows Booth doesn't love her, and so she won't risk pushing for more and hurting their relationship, at the same time I think she's seeing if she can move on, be with another man and still have Booth as her best friend. That's one of the reasons I think Booth's lunch date with Catherine is so important, it'll be the wakeup call that Brennan needs, just as her date with Hacker will give Booth a push. That's assuming he finds where he dropped his testicles.

king

RM

by tinkrella on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:40 am

I deff think this episode was filler. This show reminds me so much of the x-files sometimes in that....one episode will have intense character driven plots and moments and then the next will be a random case that could fit in to any season at any time. I guess that's just normal. But it really is frustrating when this one could have easily been switched around. Then again...maybe by the end of the season will we see that hart and co. have a very precise format/order to them that we wont understand until the end. who knows lol

I do agree with those of you who say brennan doesn't believe booth could love her. Avalon basically told us that in the first episode. She said "the answer to your question is yes, he does what's inside of you and he loves that about you" (obviously i'm paraphrasing lol)

I think brennan has been so conditioned that love doesn't exist...that she can't be in love...that people can't love her that it would be impossible for booth to feel that way. The evidence he's given her thus far have been only adding to that.

They both are just in a giant web of miscommunication. On one hand booth could just grow a set and be honest with her but he's waiting on her and on the other hand...she seems to be feeling more and more for him and could easily tell him but she's waiting on him. I do think that's where the hacker/catherine "dates" come in.

I don't understand the driving thing either and it's really bothering me. It just stood out like a sore thumb. I like him driving much MUCh better. What did happen to her Benz!? Unless she just has two cars now. More than likely toyota just wanted to advertise for the 2010 Prius and like all other things....(the iphone apps and avatar) the best way is to work it into the plot of bones. yuck. It just gets annoying when in other episodes they make such a big deal out of him driving...and they always had to drive HIS car and yadda yadda and then this time they don't even touch on it! Lol

by Meegs82 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:16 am

Once again, Rob, we agree. Smile

Ya know something I just thought of though: why exactly is Booth insisting that he KNOWS that Bones doesn't love him? Seriously, think about it...he knows what she's like and that she thinks love is a brain chemistry thing (at least up until Dentist), so WHY oh WHY would he keep his mouth shut and not tell her he loves her? Why won't he make his move? 'Cuz if he knows Bones at all, he knows that she isn't going to recognize her feelings for him as "love" 'cuz she doesn't freaking believe in it! All the more reason for him to MAKE her SEE! The man isn't doing a DAMN thing about it and it's really starting to piss me off. I am officially in the "Booth-needs-to-make-the-first-move" camp as of right this moment. Either that or something else has gotta happen (perhaps the 100th) to show the BOTH of them that the other is in love. If that doesn't happen, then Booth is going to have to be the one to take his woman, 'cuz seriously...he should have done it by now. At least, he should try to do SOMETHING to make her understand instead of sitting around and twiddling his damned thumbs!

Okay, now I'm really worked up. Gotta calm down...7 1/2 weeks...stay calm...deep breaths...okay, I feel a little better. Razz

by Meegs82 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:18 am

On the car note, she actually had a Highlander last year (Hero In The Hold), so she's gone from the Benz to a hybrid SUV to a hybrid car. Toyota is obviously advertising, but my guess is that Emily may have had something to do with the change. She herself has a Prius and last season, one of them (B or B) mentioned that Brennan had a hybrid now. I think Emily's bringing a bit of her eco-consciousness into her character, which she can do now that she's a producer.

by dawnsfire on Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:03 pm

Meegs82 wrote:I know it's annoying that she's flirting with Hacker and now with the mental patient. But, I don't think Brennan has completely figured out that she's in love with Booth. She kinda thinks so, but when it comes down to it, Brennan responds to men who are CLEARLY interested in her. Booth is so damned subtle about everything that she doesn't completely see it. BUT Hacker is BLATANTLY pursuing her and she responds to that because that is what she is used to...men paying attention to her. She can't help but respond to them. Booth is going to have to smack her upside the head or, better yet, plant a LONG frustrated kiss on her lips before she is gonna completely get it. Until then, we can expect to see her flirting, 'cuz from her perspective, she isn't doing it in a "flirtatious" way, if that makes sense. She is simply responding to a member of the opposite sex who is interested in her...it's just who she is.

I think you're right, too. I said somewhere else that she is dense in her way--that she doesn't catch subtle hints, and eyesex and the rest are definitely subtle in comparison to the others. Let's see about the blatant interest--
Peter--?? unknown
David--met online while she was looking
Will Hastings--connected over similar pasts, but who asked who 1st?
Sully--he asked her
Ian--came on to her
Mark & Jason--?? unknown, but of long standing
Jared--he came on to her, but she was embarrassingly interested (because he's a Booth?)
Hacker--came on to her
(I'm not counting Womack)

THX1138 wrote:
Meegs82 wrote:Also, with Womack the mental patient, I kinda think she was really just connecting with him on an intellectual level, not really flirting. She was intrigued that he could still be so empirical when he himself was a "psychiatrist."
I'd agree. I think their connection was intellectual, and she was intrigued at someone so obviously embracing the rational/empirical side of things and yet ostensibly working as a mental health care professional. I also think her response was openly flirtatious. Brennan is pretty transparent when she deals with men. If she's interested she shows interest, and she showed interest in Womack.

But not necessarily romantic interest. I think it can look like that sometimes, but I truly don't believe that's what we're dealing with here.
Something to factor in--she's beeen nudged (rightfully) out of the interrogation and is looking for something to distract herself. Why look--a rational/empirical psychologist! Almost as good as a dancing bear!
(the wonder is not how the bear dances, but that it does so at all!)

queen

by THX1138 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:38 pm

dawnsfire wrote:
THX1138 wrote:
Meegs82 wrote:Also, with Womack the mental patient, I kinda think she was really just connecting with him on an intellectual level, not really flirting. She was intrigued that he could still be so empirical when he himself was a "psychiatrist."
I'd agree. I think their connection was intellectual, and she was intrigued at someone so obviously embracing the rational/empirical side of things and yet ostensibly working as a mental health care professional. I also think her response was openly flirtatious. Brennan is pretty transparent when she deals with men. If she's interested she shows interest, and she showed interest in Womack.
But not necessarily romantic interest. I think it can look like that sometimes, but I truly don't believe that's what we're dealing with here.
Something to factor in--she's beeen nudged (rightfully) out of the interrogation and is looking for something to distract herself. Why look--a rational/empirical psychologist! Almost as good as a dancing bear!
(the wonder is not how the bear dances, but that it does so at all!)

I'll concede that the interest might not have been romantic interest, and you make a good point about her being nudged (really, more than a nudge - "Sweets is right. Bones, you're out.") So she could have been looking for some way to kill time. But take the scene as it's presented. Here's Brennan, bored, poking around, and she's greeted by this intelligent "psychiatrist" who's also a rational empiricist. He personable and certainly more attractive than Hacker (not much of a reach there), and he's joking with her, not just joking but the word play was witty, the give and take flowed easily, he was obviously interested and interesting, and her responses were smooth, and yes, it could have been purely intellectual but watch that scene again, look at the body language, the way Brennan smiles, laughs, the appraising looks she's getting from Womack. Sure it might not be flirting but it sure could be.

king

RM

by dawnsfire on Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:50 pm

I do believe we shall have to agree to disagree on this one. Smile

by jcn747 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:04 pm

Has it occured to anyone she may be lonely, we all assume that poor Booth is lonely, poor Booth needs a date etc. But what about Bones, maybe she just wants someone who will flattter her and make sure she knows how attractive she is.

She may also be in a confused spot regarding her feelings, and is trying to make heads or tails of it, by experimenting with other men. Everything she does is very thought out and experimental. Before she makes a move on booth (if she actually decides it i logical too) she needs to explore every option, make sure everything is thought through and know 100% it is what she wants.

Also we have to keep in mind is Brennan does NOT date for romance, she is in it for biological urges. And if you have noticed she has "not had sexual intercourse in quite some time" this is a rather large stepping stone for her, yes is is is subtle but big all the same. So this could be further evidence that she is experimenting with men as opposed to "dating" them.

by THX1138 on Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:59 pm

dawnsfire wrote:I do believe we shall have to agree to disagree on this one.

Heh, it do seem that way my Queen. Again I think it's a perspective issue, me being a guy and all plus I'm a terrible flirt so perhaps I'm seeing it where it doesn't exist.

king

RM

5x14 The Devil in the Details ~ SHOW DISCUSSION