The Future of Bones?

by DripPan on Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:16 am

Will Bones end after Season 6? What about HH and the new pilot he is executive producer for? How will that impact Bones? What about the actors, especially David and Emily?

I'm putting my thoughts down about what I see for the future.

First and foremost is Hart Hanson. He is the main man behind the series along with Stephen Nathan. The question I have is why have HH move over to a new show? There is only one answer that I come up with:

I think that Fox, HH and other members of this show have major creative differences. HH is very negative when it comes to getting the two main cast together. The most recent is in his Edmonton speech where he said if B&B got together, the show would be over. I think SN and Fox don't see it this way.

Fox doesn't want to lose HH either. What's the solution for that? Give him another show to produce. Hart would still maintain the title as being executive producer of Bones but with little or no say in the series. It would be just like Fran and Kaz Kuzui was the executive producers of BTVS/Angel series but never participated.

SN would take over as the head with a possible promotion to one of the current staff or bring someone else in.

This brings up the subject of David Boreanaz. He has his own ideas about the show. He has stated that bringing B&B together would be bad for the show as well. On the other hand he states that they are an old married couple. David is also a producer and has a say in the show. The problem for him will be a personal one. Will he stay on as Booth if they get together? He may if they let him keep having perks like director the 100th episode.

Emily Deschanel is in for the long haul. I believe she is in love with her character on the show and will play her as long as possible. She wants B&B together and I think is a very good voice for the fans. She is also a producer. I know she would like to direct an episode of Bones but I don't think that is very important to her.

We've seen a major shift in Bones from Season 4 to Season 5. I believe Fox gave Hart alot of leeway during that time. Maybe too much. With Hart's ego of 'fans don't know what they want' to questioning the intelligence of the audience to the disaster that was the season finale, Fox decided to get control once more. HH's ego could easily be seen from his speech at Edmonton. He told the story of his disagreement with a Fox Executive. It was his wife who said 'is it worth your ego to put so many people out of work?'.

I'm not saying HH doesn't need an ego but I believe he let it override the voice of his staff vice listening to them. "The End in the Beginning" was 100% his baby. I'm positive some of his staff said "Don't do it". He even said that if it was a disaster, he would take all the blame for it. It did flop. He did take 100% of the blame. He is still paying for it.

So, the future of Bones the way I see it will depend on SN stepping up and if DB sticks around. I believe that the sucessful future of Bones needs a creative mind and not one stuck on old Hollywood ideas.

Drippy

by THX1138 on Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:57 am

First I just want to say that I am NOT posting here under the tag DripPan, we just happen to have the exact same thoughts on the show...it's a coincidence I swear!

DripPan wrote:Will Bones end after Season 6? What about HH and the new pilot he is executive producer for? How will that impact Bones? What about the actors, especially David and Emily?

I'm putting my thoughts down about what I see for the future.

First and foremost is Hart Hanson. He is the main man behind the series along with Stephen Nathan. The question I have is why have HH move over to a new show? There is only one answer that I come up with:

I think that Fox, HH and other members of this show have major creative differences. HH is very negative when it comes to getting the two main cast together. The most recent is in his Edmonton speech where he said if B&B got together, the show would be over. I think SN and Fox don't see it this way.

I agree. Fox executives are a meddlesome lot, more so than any other network from what I can see, and they're not always right - in fact just the opposite - but in this case I'd agree with the execs. As long as it's handled properly the coming together of Booth and Brennan will improve the show and increase ratings, not the opposite. HH doesn't agree and he's said so repeatedly. SN is more open to the show going in that direction and FOX execs begging for the show to get them together.

Fox doesn't want to lose HH either. What's the solution for that? Give him another show to produce. Hart would still maintain the title as being executive producer of Bones but with little or no say in the series. It would be just like Fran and Kaz Kuzui was the executive producers of BTVS/Angel series but never participated.

They did the same thing for James Wong when they canned S:AAB, and Joss when the axed Firefly. FOX knows talent, they don't always know what to do with it, but they do know talent.

SN would take over as the head with a possible promotion to one of the current staff or bring someone else in.

Agree and see that as the best possible outcome short of me being named FOX CEO and head of Programming.

This brings up the subject of David Boreanaz. He has his own ideas about the show. He has stated that bringing B&B together would be bad for the show as well. On the other hand he states that they are an old married couple. David is also a producer and has a say in the show. The problem for him will be a personal one. Will he stay on as Booth if they get together? He may if they let him keep having perks like director the 100th episode.

I think DB's objections are tied to his admiration for HH, and his comfort with the character as he's currently portrayed. I also believe that DB would have no problem staying on if, under SN, the show changed course and B&B became a real couple. I'm even willing to state that they wouldn't have to sweeten the pot that much for him. He's very much identified with his character, and as long as his directing bug is indulged, I think he'll hang around.

Emily Deschanel is in for the long haul. I believe she is in love with her character on the show and will play her as long as possible. She wants B&B together and I think is a very good voice for the fans. She is also a producer. I know she would like to direct an episode of Bones but I don't think that is very important to her.

Again I agree 100%. Emily definitely is in love with the character she plays, more than that, you can see how invested she is in the character. She's also a shipper, and I think her enthusiasm for the B&B ship will ameliorate much of DB's anxiety with it. The only thing that could pull her away from Bones, IMO, is a really good movie roll. Unlike DB who started out in TV, Em's early work was in Film. I wonder if she'd even want to do another TV show right away?

We've seen a major shift in Bones from Season 4 to Season 5. I believe Fox gave Hart alot of leeway during that time. Maybe too much. With Hart's ego of 'fans don't know what they want' to questioning the intelligence of the audience to the disaster that was the season finale, Fox decided to get control once more. HH's ego could easily be seen from his speech at Edmonton. He told the story of his disagreement with a Fox Executive. It was his wife who said 'is it worth your ego to put so many people out of work?'.

I'm not saying HH doesn't need an ego but I believe he let it override the voice of his staff vice listening to them. "The End in the Beginning" was 100% his baby. I'm positive some of his staff said "Don't do it". He even said that if it was a disaster, he would take all the blame for it. It did flop. He did take 100% of the blame. He is still paying for it.

So, the future of Bones the way I see it will depend on SN stepping up and if DB sticks around. I believe that the sucessful future of Bones needs a creative mind and not one stuck on old Hollywood ideas.

Drippy

A degree of Ego is needed to captain a ship like Bones. HH has to fight Network Execs who could give a damn about a good show and would put on an hour of puppies wearing hats if they thought they'd get another half point in the Neilson's, and at the same time there's some truth to the fact that the fans don't know what they want - or rather they do, they just don't know the right way to get it. For example, can you imagine BONES if Booth and Brennan had started dating in say...the third episode? There are fans that would have loved that, but it wouldn't have worked long term. S2 would have been too soon IMO, though by the end of S2 I think they were ready. S3 was, to me, the launching point of them as a couple and the mistletoe kiss should have been the spark that started their relationship. A truly creative writer would have had no problem breaking them up at the end of S3, spending S4 in turmoil, and following the brain tumor, S5 is the season of reconciliation when they get together again.

My point in all that was this - HH maintains that you can't have the show without the UST, but that's "Old Hollywood" thinking, that's the kind of gun shy attitude that gave us Moonlighting's disastrous 3rd season or Remington Steele's disastrous 4th season. The audience will only stay with a show as long as the premise remains fresh and you cannot have six years of two people as attractive as Booth and Brennan working together as "friends" and not get them together but keep the UST. It's and untenable proposition, and an unbelievable premise.

As I said, a certain amount of ego is needed to captain a ship like BONES, but HH has let his grow just a little too big IMO, and it's threatening to rob the sails of their wind. It's not just "his" show, it's ours as well, and if he's intent on making it a self indulgent piece of crap or in stringing along plotlines until they've become charicatures of themselves, then it's definitely time for him to move on to greener pastures. I ardently hope your vision of the future comes to pass. I'd love for S6 to be HH's last season as a major contributor, and for SN to spend S6, S7 & S8 taking us to new vistas in a show we all love.

king

RM

by revi on Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:27 am

Isn't this the same Fox that used Bones as a filler show and was 1 Friday Night death slot away from cancellation?

I know its very convenient to blame HH about misgrievances about the show but isn't he the one was responsible for the s1-3 that the fandom adores?

by THX1138 on Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:26 am

revi wrote:Isn't this the same Fox that used Bones as a filler show and was 1 Friday Night death slot away from cancellation?

I know its very convenient to blame HH about misgrievances about the show but isn't he the one was responsible for the s1-3 that the fandom adores?

If you read carefully you'll see that I hold FOX in no great esteem - they know talent, just not what to do with it.

James Wong created a series called "Space: Above and Beyond" that was ten years (at least) ahead of BSG as far as being a serious, innovative space opera, and FOX execs moved it around from week to week so it couldn't build it's audience and it still managed to engender enough viewer loyalty that one of the largest letter writing campaigns in TV history took place and FAILED to sway them to keep the show alive.

Joss Whedon was convinced by FOX execs to come produce Firefly for them with the assurances that he'd retain complete creative control. First thing they did upon seeing the pilot was take control away from him, re-order broadcast sequence (thus making the pilot the second show an confusing the hell out of everyone), and then they asked him to make it a funny show because their demographic research told them people wanted a funny show.

With BONES it seems that HH has successfully kept control of his show, and I'm glad for that to a degree - as you point out, S1-S3 were amazing. S4, however, is where I think he starts to lose us, or at least me, and S4 is where it seems his ego threatens to take over. It was uneven, at best, some episodes were actually quite bad while others were merely substandard. The truly good ones, like ConMan or THitS were frequently overshadowed by ones like DDotDD, TSitW or TBitO that not only contributed nothing to the franchise, but actually cheapened it. Then the crowning glory of S4 was the Season Finale, a show that even HH has admited was poorly received by many and, if he had to do it over again, he would have. It was not finale material in the manner that Critic was, and that's saying something since an animated character in a live action show is a Jump the Shark moment if ever there was one.

Now S5 has been much, much better however the talk coming out of HH's camp is that he doesn't ever want B&B together because he thinks it'll ruin the show's chemtistry. I'm sorry, if SN taking over is what it takes for us to get B&B in S6 then I'll help Hart pack. Let me put it another way, if you disagree with Drip, tell me what you see as the future of Bones with HH in control of the show. Do you think he'll get B&B together? Would you watch S6 if you knew that Booth and Brennan will still be apart and/or dating other people? Where you think the show will go in the next season or two?

king

RM

by DripPan on Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:59 am

revi wrote:Isn't this the same Fox that used Bones as a filler show and was 1 Friday Night death slot away from cancellation?

I know its very convenient to blame HH about misgrievances about the show but isn't he the one was responsible for the s1-3 that the fandom adores?

Fox nor the producers ever thought this series would last more than 3 seasons. But our 'Little Engine That Could' did just that. When something like this happens, you have to adapt.

Fox did a marvelous job of adapting. They started advertising more and they put Bones on a permanent time slot the second half of season 4. This was brilliant since the viewership really picked up from TNT showing reruns.

HH and crew also had to adapt. They had to come up with new storylines. I think this is when the creative differences started showing. With HH being in charge, it is his final say what it will be. So, with HH's mentality that the audience is not intelligent, 'if he puts the leads together, the show is over' and his ego from 3 successful season, we got what we got in Season 4.

I'll give credit where credit is due. HH did a great job with S1-S3. Fox did a crumby job S1-S3. HH did a bad job during S4 and Fox did a great job during S4.

Something changed from the end of S4 to the beginning of S5. I believe S4 was a big smackdown for HH, especially in the ego department. I believe after last year's disaster, he had to sit down and listen to Fox and his crew.

Drippy

by dawnsfire on Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:32 am

Granted that I haven't been glued to the Internet the entire time the show's been on the air, but it does seem that SN is being quoted more often than he used to be. Maybe that's an indicator.

I've read about the Moonlighting curse, heard about it a lot, even before recent events. I agree it can be avoided--you need good writing to pull it off, of course. Given that HH writes some of these or parts of them, I think he'd turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy and not give them a chance. Maybe not deliberately, but when you believe something that much, it's hard to overcome it. If he steps down, then they need more writers (hands up, all who want to send in a script! Laughing

), ones who are willing to see if B&B can make it as a committed couple.

I think it can be done. Sexual tension is sexual tension, and new RST should create as many good scenes as UST, right? Add in some of their personal issues for spice--she knows more about him than she used to, and he knows quite a bit about her, but neither knows everything. There are issues of being a new couple, there will be new emotions (esp for Brennan) and new demands on their time leading to changes in lifestyle and work habits. I would think they could get at least a season based on that sort of thing alone. (and that's without bringing up marriage and kids again!)
Of course, what about the other characters, as B&B work through this? Angela & Hodgins were once the committed counterweight to the uncoupled B&B. Now--Angela re-embraces her free spirit and Hodgins works towards Cadgins, perhaps. Or maybe I get my wish for a long struggle for Angela to be on the pursuing side of Hodgela...though I think they've already torpedo'd that one. Suspect

by THX1138 on Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:07 pm

dawnsfire wrote:Granted that I haven't been glued to the Internet the entire time the show's been on the air, but it does seem that SN is being quoted more often than he used to be. Maybe that's an indicator.

I certainly hope it is. Everyone worries what will happen when the big guy steps down in a successful show, well you can look at Buffy for your answer. Joss was only really 100% in charge for the first two seasons. Starting in S3 Dave Greenwalt and Marti Noxon started taking greater roles in the show and by S4 it was really Dave Greenwalt's show - S4 an S5 of Buffy were the two best seasons of the show and without a doubt Whedon's influence was still felt but he'd taken on a less involved role, just as Hart would here.

I've read about the Moonlighting curse, heard about it a lot, even before recent events. I agree it can be avoided--you need good writing to pull it off, of course. Given that HH writes some of these or parts of them, I think he'd turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy and not give them a chance. Maybe not deliberately, but when you believe something that much, it's hard to overcome it. If he steps down, then they need more writers (hands up, all who want to send in a script! ), ones who are willing to see if B&B can make it as a committed couple.

The problem with the Moonlighting Curse is that there isn't one. The facts are they got Dave and Maddie together in episode #14 during the third season and it ranked #9 for that season (it's highest ranking season during it's run), the ratings decline wasn't because of them hooking up, it was because the the fourth season stunk on ice. Shepard was pregnant for most of the 4th season and Bruce Willis was shooting "Die Hard", so the two spent most of their time away from the set. Sorta hard to have any kind of tension, UST or RST if you don't have the stars together. What pisses me off is hearing David Boreanaz talk about Moonlighting and specifically mention the hook-up (S3E14) as the reason why the show faile and why Bones shouldn't do it. It's one of those "Everybody knows..." kind of things and as usual, everybody is full of shit. There's NO curse. You want a curse? Look at Remington Steele.

Remington Steele had a duo more like Booth and Bones than Moonlighting. Laura was the brains of the operation, Steele was the affable face that charmed them all. Sound familiar? They played the "Will they?/Won't They?" game for three years and by the fourth seasons ratings were starting to tank because no one could believe they weren't together yet - the reasons got more and more ridiculous (see Moment Killer, over-use thereof). So they devoted the last half of the season to Laura and Steele getting together and even getting married - No.One.Cared. See, screw with your audience long enough and they'll stop caring. Then UST becomes WGAS. Who knows, maybe it'll take the epic failure of a great show like Bones to teach all of Hollywood the lesson that there simply is NO Moonlighting curse.

I think it can be done. Sexual tension is sexual tension, and new RST should create as many good scenes as UST, right? Add in some of their personal issues for spice--she knows more about him than she used to, and he knows quite a bit about her, but neither knows everything. There are issues of being a new couple, there will be new emotions (esp for Brennan) and new demands on their time leading to changes in lifestyle and work habits. I would think they could get at least a season based on that sort of thing alone. (and that's without bringing up marriage and kids again!)
Of course, what about the other characters, as B&B work through this? Angela & Hodgins were once the committed counterweight to the uncoupled B&B. Now--Angela re-embraces her free spirit and Hodgins works towards Cadgins, perhaps. Or maybe I get my wish for a long struggle for Angela to be on the pursuing side of Hodgela...though I think they've already torpedo'd that one.

It can definitely be done, absolutely. Hell, I outlined the perfect setup in Option 4. They get together and the minute they do (really get together that is, as in consummation) their partnership is terminated, Booth's investigated by the IAD, the Jeffersonian is investigated for mishandling evidence and evidentiary protocol irregularities, Hell lets suspend Brennan (board mandate) from working any criminal cases at all - it's teach or limbo and that's it. Cam can get suspended too, add a little guilt to the fire, Angela can quit in protest, meanwhile Booth is trying to hold it all together for Brennan who's wondering if maybe she and he were to split up, would that fix everything? So UST goes away, RST and RLT take it's place and the show's got material for a full season easily.

king

RM

Oh, and if they need screenwriters? My Queen, you and I are so taking those jobs and I won't take no for an answer - we'll just start showing up for meetings and when payday rolls around will tell HR we didn't get our checks, bullshit them into paying us scale...it could work!

by dawnsfire on Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:46 pm

All right, let me ask something stupid--are they broken up as partners because

Hacker's out for blood
they're in a relationship and now everyone outside of the team is going to question how long have they really been and possibly screwing up cases along the way
something bad did happen that calls their ethics into question (like a serial killer's asst working at the Jeff or people playing games with the evidence?)

(I had a 4th one, but it disappeared on me as I was typing 1-3)

queen

And as for the writing--so there, my King, so there.

by THX1138 on Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:26 pm

dawnsfire wrote:All right, let me ask something stupid--are they broken up as partners because
Hacker's out for blood
they're in a relationship and now everyone outside of the team is going to question how long have they really been and possibly screwing up cases along the way
something bad did happen that calls their ethics into question (like a serial killer's asst working at the Jeff or people playing games with the evidence?)
(I had a 4th one, but it disappeared on me as I was typing 1-3)

Ahh, my bad - They're broken up because (as I posited in an earlier thread) the Gravedigger trial goes south, and the failure of such a high profile case has the US Attorney's office out for blood (Caroline can't help them), and as everything in life - shit rolls down hill.

Amid accusations that Brennan and the Jeffersonian team destroyed/lost evidence and were complicit in orchestrating the theft of Vega's body (not to mention the national security issues) Hacker and the FBI's hands are forced. Booth undergoes IAD investigation because of accusations that he's compromised investigations where Brennan, her father, and her brother were involved - that could dig up stuff going back as far as S1 if someone was a good investigator. Brennan is restricted from the field, no longer allowed to work FBI cases until she's cleared. Cam is suspended by the board until the Jeff's Medico-Legal Lab is cleared. Don't think Hodgins is going to escape scott free, Angela would probably leave unless Brennan could convince her to stay. Sweets might even get hit by some shrapnel and no telling what happens to the Squinterns. Clark might be the reigning Forensic Anthropologist at the Jeff starting S6.

How's that for a season opener? firedevil

And as for the writing--so there, my King, so there.

You and me kiddo, and we'll pick up a couple along the way - if we're lucky we'll convince them to take the show to cable. Imagine the smut scenes, you'd get to see DB walking around shirtless all the time...I'd get to zoom on Em...yep, good times my Queen, good times...

king

RM

by dawnsfire on Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:51 pm

THX1138 wrote:
dawnsfire wrote:All right, let me ask something stupid--are they broken up as partners because
Hacker's out for blood
they're in a relationship and now everyone outside of the team is going to question how long have they really been and possibly screwing up cases along the way
something bad did happen that calls their ethics into question (like a serial killer's asst working at the Jeff or people playing games with the evidence?)
(I had a 4th one, but it disappeared on me as I was typing 1-3)
Ahh, my bad - They're broken up because (as I posited in an earlier thread) the Gravedigger trial goes south, and the failure of such a high profile case has the US Attorney's office out for blood (Caroline can't help them), and as everything in life - shit rolls down hill.

Amid accusations that Brennan and the Jeffersonian team destroyed/lost evidence and were complicit in orchestrating the theft of Vega's body (not to mention the national security issues) Hacker and the FBI's hands are forced. Booth undergoes IAD investigation because of accusations that he's compromised investigations where Brennan, her father, and her brother were involved - that could dig up stuff going back as far as S1 if someone was a good investigator. Brennan is restricted from the field, no longer allowed to work FBI cases until she's cleared. Cam is suspended by the board until the Jeff's Medico-Legal Lab is cleared. Don't think Hodgins is going to escape scott free, Angela would probably leave unless Brennan could convince her to stay. Sweets might even get hit by some shrapnel and no telling what happens to the Squinterns. Clark might be the reigning Forensic Anthropologist at the Jeff starting S6.

How's that for a season opener?

It would be interesting to see if the quality of (bone) work goes down with pretty much just Clark on board--nothing against his capabilities, but the flair to the team as we know it is part of what makes them so good and (generally) respected.

Also, while I don't much like this scenario to be honest (little too angsty for me), I can also see it get worse in a way. In the course of investigating every case the lab worked on with Booth, they can turn up so much more--the fact that Hodgins has fooled with the evidence not once, but twice; that at least one intern screwed around literally with a suspect; they could probably use Zack against them as well... Actually, given the show's past treatment of such otherwise-firable actions, it's not likely to get as bad as you suggest.

And as for the writing--so there, my King, so there.
You and me kiddo, and we'll pick up a couple along the way - if we're lucky we'll convince them to take the show to cable. Imagine the smut scenes, you'd get to see DB walking around shirtless all the time...I'd get to zoom on Em...yep, good times my Queen, good times...

RM

Do you have any idea of how many other ABY'ers we'll have trying to crash the party? Laughing

by THX1138 on Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:00 pm

dawnsfire wrote:
THX1138 wrote:
dawnsfire wrote:All right, let me ask something stupid--are they broken up as partners because
Hacker's out for blood
they're in a relationship and now everyone outside of the team is going to question how long have they really been and possibly screwing up cases along the way
something bad did happen that calls their ethics into question (like a serial killer's asst working at the Jeff or people playing games with the evidence?)
(I had a 4th one, but it disappeared on me as I was typing 1-3)
Ahh, my bad - They're broken up because (as I posited in an earlier thread) the Gravedigger trial goes south, and the failure of such a high profile case has the US Attorney's office out for blood (Caroline can't help them), and as everything in life - shit rolls down hill.

Amid accusations that Brennan and the Jeffersonian team destroyed/lost evidence and were complicit in orchestrating the theft of Vega's body (not to mention the national security issues) Hacker and the FBI's hands are forced. Booth undergoes IAD investigation because of accusations that he's compromised investigations where Brennan, her father, and her brother were involved - that could dig up stuff going back as far as S1 if someone was a good investigator. Brennan is restricted from the field, no longer allowed to work FBI cases until she's cleared. Cam is suspended by the board until the Jeff's Medico-Legal Lab is cleared. Don't think Hodgins is going to escape scott free, Angela would probably leave unless Brennan could convince her to stay. Sweets might even get hit by some shrapnel and no telling what happens to the Squinterns. Clark might be the reigning Forensic Anthropologist at the Jeff starting S6.

How's that for a season opener?
It would be interesting to see if the quality of (bone) work goes down with pretty much just Clark on board--nothing against his capabilities, but the flair to the team as we know it is part of what makes them so good and (generally) respected.

Also, while I don't much like this scenario to be honest (little too angsty for me), I can also see it get worse in a way. In the course of investigating every case the lab worked on with Booth, they can turn up so much more--the fact that Hodgins has fooled with the evidence not once, but twice; that at least one intern screwed around literally with a suspect; they could probably use Zack against them as well... Actually, given the show's past treatment of such otherwise-firable actions, it's not likely to get as bad as you suggest.

Well you know me, I'm not one for angst, nope, never have been. Rolling Eyes

But you're right - I can totally see it getting ever worse if they got a crusading AUSA or a hotshot FBI agent posted to IAD who really wanted to make a name for themselves...yep, it could totally get ugly but the reward could be even sweeter - imagine them getting cleared, first Booth, then Brennan, and once they're back they work to get the team back together, they get official sanction to their relationship - no more undercover work though, I can see the write-up in some glossy mag "America's hottest crime fighting duo", Laughing

, you just know Booth will want to get a copy frame while Brennan will be wanting to toss them all and get back to work. Laughing

And as for the writing--so there, my King, so there.
You and me kiddo, and we'll pick up a couple along the way - if we're lucky we'll convince them to take the show to cable. Imagine the smut scenes, you'd get to see DB walking around shirtless all the time...I'd get to zoom on Em...yep, good times my Queen, good times...

RM
Do you have any idea of how many other ABY'ers we'll have trying to crash the party?

Hey, they can try - that's what studio security is for. Not to worry though, I'll have a short list of folks who've got access anytime they need to see me... Key words here folks, SHORT list. There might be room for two more names after Sherry, so the bidding can begin whenever. Twisted Evil

RM

by dawnsfire on Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:10 pm

Sherry's definitely on the list--but kindly remember, people, there are TWO of us to consider while bidding!
*goes off, whistling "We're in the money..."*

queen

by DripPan on Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:50 pm

I think I can provide further proof that Stephen Nathan is taking over the creativity of the show.

I think with the latest spoiler from SN himself that the finale is going to be very emotional, this points towards the Gravedigger trial. Every trial episode has been this way ('Fridge', 'Mansion' & 'Verdict).

I also believe that SN is writing this script from a post he did a while back on Twitter about the GD.

Hart Hanson has always been credited with writing every single premiere and finale. If what I say is true, then SN is doing the writing for this finale and will be given credit.

Anyone say "Changing of the Guards"?

Drippy

by revi on Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:21 pm

THX1138 wrote:
revi wrote:Isn't this the same Fox that used Bones as a filler show and was 1 Friday Night death slot away from cancellation?

I know its very convenient to blame HH about misgrievances about the show but isn't he the one was responsible for the s1-3 that the fandom adores?
If you read carefully you'll see that I hold FOX in no great esteem - they know talent, just not what to do with it.

James Wong created a series called "Space: Above and Beyond" that was ten years (at least) ahead of BSG as far as being a serious, innovative space opera, and FOX execs moved it around from week to week so it couldn't build it's audience and it still managed to engender enough viewer loyalty that one of the largest letter writing campaigns in TV history took place and FAILED to sway them to keep the show alive.

Joss Whedon was convinced by FOX execs to come produce Firefly for them with the assurances that he'd retain complete creative control. First thing they did upon seeing the pilot was take control away from him, re-order broadcast sequence (thus making the pilot the second show an confusing the hell out of everyone), and then they asked him to make it a funny show because their demographic research told them people wanted a funny show.

With BONES it seems that HH has successfully kept control of his show, and I'm glad for that to a degree - as you point out, S1-S3 were amazing. S4, however, is where I think he starts to lose us, or at least me, and S4 is where it seems his ego threatens to take over. It was uneven, at best, some episodes were actually quite bad while others were merely substandard. The truly good ones, like ConMan or THitS were frequently overshadowed by ones like DDotDD, TSitW or TBitO that not only contributed nothing to the franchise, but actually cheapened it. Then the crowning glory of S4 was the Season Finale, a show that even HH has admited was poorly received by many and, if he had to do it over again, he would have. It was not finale material in the manner that Critic was, and that's saying something since an animated character in a live action show is a Jump the Shark moment if ever there was one.

Now S5 has been much, much better however the talk coming out of HH's camp is that he doesn't ever want B&B together because he thinks it'll ruin the show's chemtistry. I'm sorry, if SN taking over is what it takes for us to get B&B in S6 then I'll help Hart pack. Let me put it another way, if you disagree with Drip, tell me what you see as the future of Bones with HH in control of the show. Do you think he'll get B&B together? Would you watch S6 if you knew that Booth and Brennan will still be apart and/or dating other people? Where you think the show will go in the next season or two?

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I just think it might be a little presumptuous that gleaning some tidbits from here and there and declare that HH is done being the showrunner and its SN's at the captain's chair. As Brennan would say, that is pure conjecture. Smile

I can't in good faith presume what HH might do with following seasons but I also can't delegitimize the fear that getting them together could be disastrous as well. It is easy to dismiss those fears as nonsense in these circles of fandom but there genuinely are other who view B/B begrudgingly.

Now while we may view that as asinine, lets consider that prospect a real possibility. If you were responsible for the livleyhoods for all the people who work on Bones wouldn't you want to delay or be in a holding pattern for as long as you could before taking the plunge into the possibility that it works, or people are satisfied and no longer have the same interest in the show?

I just think whatever you might think of HH, he has the best interest of the show at heart.

by DripPan on Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:49 pm

Having the best interest of the show at heart does not mean he can't screw it up.

It is with the best intention that the worst work is done. Oscar Wilde

Also, remember that Fox and Stephen Nathan also has good intention. This isn't about intention but about creative differences.

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