The Future of Bones?

And to be nice... as I was just really pissy...

This is totally how i see it too... Really nice and concise breakdown.

DripPan wrote:I always broke up the seasons as follows:

Season 1 is where she found friendship.
Season 2 is where she got love. Her dad coming back, Sully and the whole more than one type of family.
Season 3 is where she gave love. Her dad's trial, Baby Andy and Wannebe/PitH
Season 4 is where she learned the meaning of being special.
Season 5 is her discovery of 'deeper emotional connection'.

Drippy

Wow. I'm a bit overwhelmed with this thread. so many opinions and views so little time. I first have to say this is the best thread I've ever read. This is the sort of hiatus discussions I long for! No one is the same....and we all wont agree and that's what makes the world interesting!

My viewpoint isn't slightly skewed....it's 100 percent skewed. I didn't even start watching this show until July. The very first episode I saw was "the end in the beginning" and it turned me onto the show instantly. (Don't ask me how or why because after the x-files bitterness/anger/dissapointment I vowed never, ever to watch another UST/FBI/Crime show again.)

I then watched the entire series and now season five. I was so anxious to see more of what I had become addicted to that they could have filmed ED and DB staring at a brick wall and I would have watched. Bones could (and in some ways still can't) do wrong in my eyes.

Over the hiatus, I have re-watched them all again to gain perspective. It was much better this time because I'm more into the show and understand more of what is going on.

I can now see what you are saying about season four. Brennan just seems like a giant ball of hot and cold. I don't get what they were doing with her. Was it on purpose to show that she was still dealing with the whole zack/booth faking his death thing? Because if so, they could have done a WAY better job of showing that to the audience. I mean...Hart must have explained to Emily why her character was so completely different in every episode, why couldn't the audience have gotten that? (I'm only hoping Emily was as confused as we all were)

I dislike some of the dumber episodes like Departed. That is my least favorite I think. Even the booth/tumor/hallucinations fell flat for me but that's probably because I was getting way too much of that on grey's anatomy.

I think drip is right that season four had a direction....but it didn't have AS MUCH as other seasons and I think that hurt it in the long wrong. I think the fact that hart and co. probably never planned on having the show last that long had a lot to do with it. But, you know what? That only excuses him for like...the first ten. He should have been able to adapt much sooner. He clearly can do it, since he did it in season three during the strike.

It also seemed like Hart let DB have more say in plots and episodes than usual. No offense to DB. I adore him. But, he said in an interview he really enjoyed the "slapstick" stuff and wanted more of it and I'm sorry but that's not bones and Hart should have realized that.

Though Season four was crappy, I don't hold it against Hart and co. too much because I feel like...every show is bound to have a season like that. The x-files had at least two of them (some would argue 3) grey's anatomy has crapped out on the last 2 seasons. I would be upset if season five was like season four, but it doesn't seem to be and that has kept me happy and satisfied with the show so far. Of course....I've only been watching since July...so it would be pretty hard for me to not be satisfied.

As for the future of the show? I'm not sure. I don't find the UST unbearable. Yes, it's unrealistic. But, it's TV. If it's one thing i've learned in my 25 years on earth, it's that one shouldn't search for realism on TV. I say this all the time, but due to my extreme obsession with the x-files I feel I could withstand the UST for awhile. I also am a recovering grey's anatomy addict and if anyone else follows the cluster Fuck that has become that show....you can understand why I think bones is like......heaven on earth to me right now.

Hart's comments that he'll never get them together? Eh. I take everyone he says with a grain of salt. It's very obvious even to someone whose not as able to read between the lines that this season is deff leading somewhere with them. All I'm looking for this season is for them to admit their feelings. Where they go from there...is anyone's guess. I could see them dragging out next season a bit more with all the theories that have been discussed here.

I am not in the camp that believes getting them together will kill the show. On the contrary, I think DB/ED are probably the only two actors on TV right now who could pull it off. It's up to the writers then, to keep it afloat. I could deff see it lasting more than 6 seasons. If it's doing as well as it is now, there is no way fox will pull the plug. They will ride this gravy train till it literally dries up. I would deff rather see it end on a great note than a crappy one so I do hope they come to some timeline in advance so that they can end it well.

I could see the show lasting if the actors wanted to stick with it. DB/ED are such good friends that unless they had some horrible friend-break up....I don't see one exiting before the other. They are real life partners as much as on screen and I think it's the type of situation where they would either both agree to stay, or both agree to go.

I've lost all train of thought with this long ramble. But, I really do think that watching as a new viewer and watching as an old is very different. I didn't even know what bones was really like until I saw the earlier seasons. I see season one as so dark and dreary. LMAO. Clearly....that's because my first ever episode was the end in the beginning. yes....take pity on me.

queen bess wrote:I know ya'll are off on a massive kick about whatever, but i feel this needs to be said. I shall say it once and as politely as i can manage after the day i have had.

Not everyone hates The End in the Beginning. In fact some people like it, myself included. We the crazy internet fans (of which i openly admit i am one) do not completely represent the audience of Bones. Can people please STOP with the assumption that we all hate it. I do not like having to come here and DEFEND the show I love and the people who run it. I am here BECAUSE i love the show, i want to celebrate it and enjoy it. IT IS ONLY A TV SHOW!!

I'm not saying HH doesn't need an ego but I believe he let it override the voice of his staff vice listening to them. "The End in the Beginning" was 100% his baby. I'm positive some of his staff said "Don't do it". He even said that if it was a disaster, he would take all the blame for it. It did flop. He did take 100% of the blame. He is still paying for it.

I very much enjoyed the end in the beginning and everyone i know that watches it and doesn't come online to discuss loved it too. so...you're not the only one. just thought i'd let you know. maybe at some cheer to your day.

I don't think Hart should have played it up like it was going to be real and then have it be AU. but, that's a topic for another day. I also think it would have worked better as the episode before the finale. But, I'll say this, everywhere I went.....people were talking about the show. To the point where I started watching it over the summer just so I could have something to discuss too.

queen bess wrote:Not everyone hates The End in the Beginning. In fact some people like it, myself included. We the crazy internet fans (of which i openly admit i am one) do not completely represent the audience of Bones. Can people please STOP with the assumption that we all hate it. I do not like having to come here and DEFEND the show I love and the people who run it. I am here BECAUSE i love the show, i want to celebrate it and enjoy it. IT IS ONLY A TV SHOW!!

I have never taken anything away from people who loved "The End in the Beginning" and I have never ever said everyone hated it. There are too many differences between people on what they do or do not enjoy.

I also want you to understand that the majority of the people like the parody of the season finale. It was great trying to pick everything out. It was also nice to see B&B in a more relaxed atmosphere.

That being said there are 4 primary reasons why people didn't like it:

1. The "Who are you?" at the end was very badly written. It brought up to much confusion on the side of the fans.

2. The storyline that B&B had real sex through a mind meld. This is not a scifi show. I do not believe in psychic powers but am forced to believe that is what happened.

3. Episode placement. Again, people praised the parody of the writing and it would have been a love letter in the middle of the season. Along this line, not to many people like Alternate Universe/Dream Sequence episodes.

4. The publicity about the sex being real and no dream or hallucination. I think this one bothers people more because they lost faith/trust in HH. No one wants to think as someone as a liar but that is exactly what happened.

I know some people who like the episode now that they are into Season 5. I understand why.

I am one of the people who hates it more especially because of Season 5. It just really burns me up whenever I start thinking about this whole 'scifi mind meld' storyline.

I understand that you are trying defend something that you really liked and I don't blame you. You also must accept the fact that the majority of the fans did not like it so you will hear more from them.

BTW, we all love the show and want to enjoy it. I love my brother too but am also disappointed with him when he robbed a liquor store. Do I love him any less? No. I'm just disappointed in him.

Drippy

DripPan wrote:
I understand that you are trying defend something that you really liked and I don't blame you. You also must accept the fact that the majority of the fans did not like it so you will hear more from them.

BTW, we all love the show and want to enjoy it. I love my brother too but am also disappointed with him when he robbed a liquor store. Do I love him any less? No. I'm just disappointed in him.

Drippy

I think it's more that people who didn't like it are more vocal about it. Those of us that did like the episode don't feel like we need to discuss it ad nauseum... at least that's how I feel.

I think I posted a similar comment over at the BY... but I really enjoyed it because I don't think I had any preconceived notions about it before hand and I don't believe that it was a mind meld but instead it was a mix of interpretations of the story Brennan was writing.

Sort of like when you are dreaming and the radio alarm goes off and you incorporate part of the words of the DJ into your dream. I don't think that Brennan experienced the dream like Booth did, I think she wrote about it her way and because she was reading aloud as she typed Booth on a semi-conscious level took those words and his dream was formed from it.

Maybe it's all in interpretation of the episode...

If I remember correctly, you also had a problem with the Avalon story line. Which didn't bother me as much, not because I believe in psychics, but because I believe in the idea that psychics can extrapolate ideas from context clues around them to make their "predictions". I am with Brennan... everything that Avalon says can be explained except for how she knew where the bodies were buried. Even that could be her trying to remember what was going on at the time when the group was supposed to leave and remembering that the fountain was undergoing some construction.

spygrl wrote:I think it's more that people who didn't like it are more vocal about it. Those of us that did like the episode don't feel like we need to discuss it ad nauseum... at least that's how I feel.

It's always the squeeky wheel that gets the oil. Nobody ever compliments the other 3 wheels that are doing just fine. Human Nature...

DripPan wrote:

spygrl wrote:I think it's more that people who didn't like it are more vocal about it. Those of us that did like the episode don't feel like we need to discuss it ad nauseum... at least that's how I feel.

It's always the squeeky wheel that gets the oil. Nobody ever compliments the other 3 wheels that are doing just fine. Human Nature...

So true!

I saw that Hart replied to your comment about Hacker. If you are so wrong he better show that the guy is not what we have seen of him so far!

what did he say about hacker? nothing that goofy man can do will ever make me believe he is good enough for brennan. sorry hart. lol

LOL Drip , now I'm curious as to what caused HH to respond so vehemently that you were wrong. did you ask about a certain rumor about Hacker

Spoiler:

being involved with the gravedigger?

or was it just a random Hacker musing?

I tried to find your original tweet but it's not showing

HH twittered: Bones pal Diedrich Bader has been cast in "Outsourced". Rats.

I Twittered: @HartHanson Rats? Really? The goofy ADD character is a slap in the face to a fine institution and the fans. Give us a Cullens anyday.

HH Twittered: @DripPan Boy, are you ever wrong. I mean it's your right to be wrong but wow, are you ever wrong.

That was it. I guess every fan who thinks the same way I do is wrong as well.

i guess hart doesn't realize a lot of people feel this way lol so does that mean we wont see much of him anymore?? THANK GOD lol or...."outsourced" we should send them a thank you note.

IMO the problem with Hacker is not Hacker...it's Bones. You see, the charm of Hacker is his humor. And Bones does not understand humor. In fact I recall she feels people are not really communicating when they tell jokes. Therefore, she must find him attractive in some other way. And what way is that?

I think HH knows exactly how fans feel about the Hacker character. I'm not sure if he was intentionally written as goofy or if that is the way the fan's see him. Sometimes going from script to screen doesn't interpit to well.

I know the BY send reports to Fox/HH on trends they see. Last season the complaints were Sweets out of place and too much slapstick. As can be seen in the latter part of S4 they started correcting some of these problems.

I'm sure S5 HH has gotten reports about the inconsistancies and Hacker. I think he knew about the inconsistancies but might not be aware about Hacker. I think 'Pudding' was trying to get the fans to not see him as goofy but it didn't work for me.

Drippy

olivia wrote:IMO the problem with Hacker is not Hacker...it's Bones. You see, the charm of Hacker is his humor. And Bones does not understand humor. In fact I recall she feels people are not really communicating when they tell jokes. Therefore, she must find him attractive in some other way. And what way is that?

I think the problem with Hacker is actually the producers!! For some reason since season 4 they have over done the goofiness. The thing is if they want goofiness on the show they need to incorporate it into the right character.

Having Booth overly goofy or an ADD is wrong. Having a space cadet such as the stalker/informant in 'Secret in the Soil'/'Outhouse' is great for goofiness!