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Post by SnoopGirl on Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:11 pm

As soon as I saw that line my immediate interpretation was that Booth had "the dream" in The End in the Beginning and therefore he and Brennan will be together EVENTUALLY. (Despite the ending scene).
Anyone else have an interpretation of this quote?
Having it on a wall outside a building did seem a bit weird but the quote is brilliant in relation to this episode so it is OK that it was "pasted" to a wall. Very Happy

(If this has already been discussed can someone please tell me where the discussion is?)

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by treble21 on Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:05 pm

there is a mild discussion going on in the spoiler thread for the epi, but not everyone would want to participate there. I don't think there is a discussion going on anywhere else about it.

and yes HH has indicated ( by retweeting a fan comment on twitter anyway) that the quote is a direct reference to tEitB.

personally I love that in an episode that seemingly "ends" their potential relationship there are signs all over the place, that isn't the case.

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by AmandaFriend on Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:17 am

One, it is the dream that Booth planted in her brain with all those late night meals, all those conversations about love, and marriage, and babies, and sex.

Two, it is the dream that must be planted before something will come of it.

Three, it is the dream that Brennan writes as she's trying to hold herself together because Booth is in a coma and won't wake up and she's not sure if he will and she's not sure what she'll do if he never.

Four, it is the dream she writes as a love letter. To Booth.

Five, and this is important. It is the dream she shares with Booth.

Six, it is the dream that has been rattling around in Booth's head for some time. It is the dream that gets Booth rattled when he learns that Angela helps Brennan write the character stuff in her novels. But this ain't the novel. It's the story she wrote to him and read to him and it is a love letter.

Seven. This is also important. It is her dream.

Eight. So when they are standing on the steps of the Hoover and Booth pulls up short and says, "I'm the gambler," he's going to replay that dream in Brennan's head-- that they can be an "us." Brennan knows. She knows. She asks, "You mean us?" She's not surprised. She's not denying it like she did in Sweets' office just moments before. She understands that she is responsible for this. She is responsible for putting down on paper what she is so frightened by and mesmerized by.

Nine. The dream. Yes, it might have allusions to the season 4 finale, but it also harkens back to Cabernet and Brennan's desire to have a baby. Her one chance to have unconditional love, or so she thinks. But she has the dream and she sets it on paper and she puts love and marriage and baby into the dream as if she's never banished any of those to the anthropological graveyard of bad ideas.

Ten, the dream. On the steps of the Hoover. He wants an "us." He plants the seed of the possibility. For a moment she puts the heart into overdrive and allows the kiss to speak to the possibility.

Eleven, the dream. She breaks the kiss. She breaks. She cannot dream beyond what her science tells her. She cannot share the dream with Booth because she cannot imagine having enough of that dream to make him happy. She's scared, she's hurting, she's Brennan. She protects Booth almost as much as he protects her. She thinks she is protecting him, but she is protecting herself almost as much. Maybe more.

Twelve, the dream. Booth can still dream. He can still dream that someone will love him 30, 40, 50 years. He wants that dream. He wants it with her, but she cannot share that dream. It frightens her. Booth frightens her. His dream is beautiful and irrational and risky. He wants the dream. He wants her. But he will take the dream with someone else.

Thirteen. She can only dream as far as they are partners. It's not really a dream. It is a reality. That is safe. She will not be safe if Booth says they cannot be partners.

Fourteen. She wants the dream. For him. Brennan who is direct and has laser eyes cannot look at him when he tells her he wants the dream for himself. She is ashamed. She is a coward. She is Brennan, but not the tough one who beats up gang leaders or breaks the wrist of a serial killer; she is the Brennan who has learned her mother's remains have been downstairs in the Jeffersonian and her father is a thief. She will agree to let him have the dream with someone else, but she will not look at him.

Fifteen. The dream is something unspoken, but beautiful. It makes her cry. It makes him cry. Neither one of them cries often. He cried killing the dream of a son for a father to grow up to. She's cried for mothers who've lost their children, and children who've lost their way, and the child in herself that was damaged.

Sixteen. The dream has been planted as a suggestion, a hint of perfume on the wind. It will be a constant. A reminder. Something that will wake them each morning. And lull them to sleep at night.

Seventeen. Booth didn't lay out any more specifics than 30, 40, 50 years. His willing to adapt the dream. The rules are not clear.

Eighteen. The rules are not clear, but in her orderly mind, she has seen just how badly relationships end. They end because of her. The last three (yes, three) end badly because 1] the two guys she's dating find out about each other and don't like it; 2] the other guy wanted her to give up who she is to sail around the Carribbean.

Nineteen. We won't mention the guy who chopped off his brother's head. The physicist who couldn't tie his shoes. (Was that Peter?) The recruiter for a cult. Okay, these are more nightmares than dreams. But she has had a 6-year relationship with a guy that has bled for her, killed for her, cried for her, cared for her, put up with her, listened to her, died for her, lied for her, tried for her. She CAN carry on a relationship.

Twenty. "Let's go for a different outcome." The dream has been planted. She knows that change is an anthropological inevitability. She just has to believe her own words.

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by i_heart_bones on Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 am

treble21 wrote:

and yes HH has indicated ( by retweeting a fan comment on twitter anyway) that the quote is a direct reference to tEitB.


Yeaaah! That was me!

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by Meegs82 on Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:56 am

i_heart_bones wrote:
treble21 wrote:

and yes HH has indicated ( by retweeting a fan comment on twitter anyway) that the quote is a direct reference to tEitB.


Yeaaah! That was me!


Exactly, me too!!! It all started with that dream, so something's gotta "happen," right? And it will happen 'cuz it was first a dream. Too perfect.

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by treble21 on Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:58 am

i_heart_bones wrote:
treble21 wrote:

and yes HH has indicated ( by retweeting a fan comment on twitter anyway) that the quote is a direct reference to tEitB.


Yeaaah! That was me!


LOL yes it was, I knew it was somebody from here, but I couldn't remember who Smile

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by i_heart_bones on Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:09 pm

treble21 wrote:
i_heart_bones wrote:
treble21 wrote:

and yes HH has indicated ( by retweeting a fan comment on twitter anyway) that the quote is a direct reference to tEitB.


Yeaaah! That was me!


LOL yes it was, I knew it was somebody from here, but I couldn't remember who Smile


Hehe i just wanted to gloat lol!

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by spectacularviews on Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:25 pm

It's a direct quote from the poem "Washington Monument By Night" (ala where the conversation was held).

The poem is essentially a reflection of the whole B&B Scenario....

The whole poem is on Google Books at the link below (page 282)

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by jcn747 on Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:42 pm

hmmmmm
"nothing happens unless first a dream"
okay so my money is on the coma dream
the end in the beginning

So this quote is shown in the figurative "end" of them, they decided against a relationship.

But it really the "beginning"

because nothing happens unless first a dream?

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by yvettelgh on Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:32 am

Eight years is a long time...

That is one of the lines of the poem...Season 8...really? That long!

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by DONEWITHIT on Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:37 am

Season 8? Ha!You gotto be kidding me!!! Sleep

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by talkaboutbones on Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:19 am

AmandaFriend - your thoughts are just great. left me thoughtful but speechless... bowdown

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by spectacularviews on Fri May 21, 2010 10:00 pm

Bumping this up.
When I first saw the poem with the "Nothing Happens unless first a dream" line I quoted previously I thought it was WAY TOO SPECIFIC to not have a point. Anyway: revisited as of season finale..the lines of WASHINGTON MONUMENT AT NIGHT (yes, precisely WHERE Bones and Booth had that fateful conversation)

WASHINGTON MONUMENT AT NIGHT (Carl Sandburg)
The stone goes straight
A lean swimmer dives in to night sky
Into half-moon mist

Two trees are coal black
There is a great white ghost between
It is cool to look at
Strong women, strong men come here

Eight years is a long time,
To be fighting all the time


<<I initally thought this was a misnomer...but...the eighth year with the skipped year brings us to season 6>>

The republic is a dream
Nothing happens unless first a dream

The wind bit hard at Valley Forge one Christmas <<Christmas kiss>>
Soldiers tied rags on their feet <<This is Booth>>
Red footprints wrote on the snow
...and stone shoots into stars here
...into half moon mist tonight

Tongues wrangled dark at a man
He buttoned his overcoat and stood alone
<<100th episode>>
In a snowstorm, red hollyberries, thoughts, he stood alone

Woman said...he is lonely
fighting...fighting....eight years
<<Bones has indeed said he needs to move on>>

The name of an iron man goes over the world
It takes a long tme to forget an iron man
<<Booth fighting??>>

Thoughts?

Interestingly, the very next stanza of the book after this part references a) Bones and b) references very close to A Soldier on The Grave

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by bones_fanatic19 on Sat May 22, 2010 7:50 am

spectacularviews wrote:Bumping this up.
When I first saw the poem with the "Nothing Happens unless first a dream" line I quoted previously I thought it was WAY TOO SPECIFIC to not have a point. Anyway: revisited as of season finale..the lines of WASHINGTON MONUMENT AT NIGHT (yes, precisely WHERE Bones and Booth had that fateful conversation)

WASHINGTON MONUMENT AT NIGHT (Carl Sandburg)
The stone goes straight
A lean swimmer dives in to night sky
Into half-moon mist

Two trees are coal black
There is a great white ghost between
It is cool to look at
Strong women, strong men come here

Eight years is a long time,
To be fighting all the time


<<I initally thought this was a misnomer...but...the eighth year with the skipped year brings us to season 6>>

The republic is a dream
Nothing happens unless first a dream

The wind bit hard at Valley Forge one Christmas <<Christmas kiss>>
Soldiers tied rags on their feet <<This is Booth>>
Red footprints wrote on the snow
...and stone shoots into stars here
...into half moon mist tonight

Tongues wrangled dark at a man
He buttoned his overcoat and stood alone
<<100th episode>>
In a snowstorm, red hollyberries, thoughts, he stood alone

Woman said...he is lonely
fighting...fighting....eight years
<<Bones has indeed said he needs to move on>>

The name of an iron man goes over the world
It takes a long tme to forget an iron man
<<Booth fighting??>>

Thoughts?

Interestingly, the very next stanza of the book after this part references a) Bones and b) references very close to A Soldier on The Grave


Very interesting, wonder if they have looked at this and follow any of this in accordance to the BB relationship

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Re: Nothing Happens Unless First a Dream

Post by spectacularviews on Sat May 22, 2010 2:12 pm

I would suggest at least on some level, given the poem is also called Washington Monument At Night - which, surprise, surprise, is where they HAD "the" talk in the 100th

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