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PLEASE let Hannah be gone before Christmas.....

I think the "torpedo" means that Booth will brake up with Hannah. It may be wishful thinking, but I looked the definition up in the dictionary and it means-a thinn clindrical , self-propelled, underwater weapon OR to hit or destroy with. Booth has to brake up with her because he has to realize that Brennan is the one/Can't move on/whatever, so when (if) B&B ever get together, we will have no doubt that he loves Brennan and that she's not just a rebound...and then SN says, "He's moved on, but whether he continues to move on is another thing entirely." I think that Booth will realize that he can't move on/Brennan is the one/whatever and ended with Hannah.

jro54 wrote:I think the "torpedo" means that Booth will brake up with Hannah. It may be wishful thinking, but I looked the definition up in the dictionary and it means-a thinn clindrical , self-propelled, underwater weapon OR to hit or destroy with. Booth has to brake up with her because he has to realize that Brennan is the one/Can't move on/whatever, so when (if) B&B ever get together, we will have no doubt that he loves Brennan and that she's not just a rebound...and then SN says, "He's moved on, but whether he continues to move on is another thing entirely." I think that Booth will realize that he can't move on/Brennan is the one/whatever and ended with Hannah.

That makes sense. Just wasn't the way I originally thought about it. But hey-Torpedo away Boothy-Boy Preferably by Thanksgiving. If not then dumping Barbie is #1 on my wish list to Santa.

joybrennan wrote:Who says voicing complaints doesn't affect things - when were the tubeys out - the 24th? Then there was ausiello's poll about the poster which, if you read through the commentary about the promo and not about posters yelling at each other, were largely negative about it, the 100th, the rumored girlfriend and general direction of the show. Less than a WEEK later, this comes out. Talk about a 180 degree turn in media tone. .

Now, are they just changing advertising strategy, or actually shifting direction? Let's hope actual direction. Shot or not; any episode's tone can be shifted in editting.

I'm confused as to how you get that it's a change in advertising/media tone or that the show is changing direction. We've known all along that Hannah was only temporary and that the relationship, once brought back to the real world of DC, would change and have challenges once Brennan was put into the mix. The whole "Will Booth really ever be able to move on" thing has been stated even before the end of last season.

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:I think the "torpedo" means that Booth will brake up with Hannah. It may be wishful thinking, but I looked the definition up in the dictionary and it means-a thinn clindrical , self-propelled, underwater weapon OR to hit or destroy with. Booth has to brake up with her because he has to realize that Brennan is the one/Can't move on/whatever, so when (if) B&B ever get together, we will have no doubt that he loves Brennan and that she's not just a rebound...and then SN says, "He's moved on, but whether he continues to move on is another thing entirely." I think that Booth will realize that he can't move on/Brennan is the one/whatever and ended with Hannah.

That makes sense. Just wasn't the way I originally thought about it. But hey-Torpedo away Boothy-Boy Preferably by Thanksgiving. If not then dumping Barbie is #1 on my wish list to Santa.

I know it's a lot to assume, but it fits in with the context of Booth of realizing that Brennan is the one/he can't move on/however you look at it...I just hope Booth brakes up with Hannah...because if Hannah is the one who does the braking up and then if B&B get together, we won't know if Booth really loves Brennan or if she's just a rebound. He has to come to the conclusion that Brennan is the one/can't move on/whatever and make his decesion...and Brennan has to admit that she loves him.

jro54 wrote:

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:I think the "torpedo" means that Booth will brake up with Hannah. It may be wishful thinking, but I looked the definition up in the dictionary and it means-a thinn clindrical , self-propelled, underwater weapon OR to hit or destroy with. Booth has to brake up with her because he has to realize that Brennan is the one/Can't move on/whatever, so when (if) B&B ever get together, we will have no doubt that he loves Brennan and that she's not just a rebound...and then SN says, "He's moved on, but whether he continues to move on is another thing entirely." I think that Booth will realize that he can't move on/Brennan is the one/whatever and ended with Hannah.

That makes sense. Just wasn't the way I originally thought about it. But hey-Torpedo away Boothy-Boy Preferably by Thanksgiving. If not then dumping Barbie is #1 on my wish list to Santa.

I know it's a lot to assume, but it fits in with the context of Booth of realizing that Brennan is the one/he can't move on/however you look at it...I just hope Booth brakes up with Hannah...because if Hannah is the one who does the braking up and then if B&B get together, we won't know if Booth really loves Brennan or if she's just a rebound. He has to come to the conclusion that Brennan is the one/can't move on/whatever and make his decesion.

I think you are right on the money there. I'm actually kind of curious to see how this all plays out. I still despise the storyline, but I'm really curious to see what Hannah is like. Will she fit in and accept the squints? Will she be ok with Booth's hours and "partner"? Will she play the part of the jealous girlfriend? Or will she be so sickingly sweet we can't help but actually "LIKE" ( ) her? How will the breakup go down? Will it be Booth or Hannah that breaks it off? Will it be mutual? Will it end on a really bad note? How will Brennan react once he's "back on the market"? How much damage will Booth have to repair with Brennan? Will Brennan, at any point, give Booth any hope of any kind of future between them? Because, if everything is going good with Hannah, and she makes him happy and all...Even with Brennan back in the picture-she already rejected him, so IMO in order for him to break it off with Hannah, he has to at least have SOME hope of working it out with Brennan. Sometimes you have to settle for 2nd best and why would he give up a good thing? (Unless Hannah is a complete RagHag to him in the real world)
And most importantly-Between B&B, who will pursue who? Will Brennan actually give in and fall? Will she realize that giving them a chance with the possibility of failing will be better than not knowing what could have been? Will we have forward progress before Booth needs viagra and a walker??
GAH. So many questions, so many possibilities. Yeah. Bring it on Hart

finally something positive, maybe I will start rewatching some weeks before Xmas instead of during the Xmas break

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:I think the "torpedo" means that Booth will brake up with Hannah. It may be wishful thinking, but I looked the definition up in the dictionary and it means-a thinn clindrical , self-propelled, underwater weapon OR to hit or destroy with. Booth has to brake up with her because he has to realize that Brennan is the one/Can't move on/whatever, so when (if) B&B ever get together, we will have no doubt that he loves Brennan and that she's not just a rebound...and then SN says, "He's moved on, but whether he continues to move on is another thing entirely." I think that Booth will realize that he can't move on/Brennan is the one/whatever and ended with Hannah.

That makes sense. Just wasn't the way I originally thought about it. But hey-Torpedo away Boothy-Boy Preferably by Thanksgiving. If not then dumping Barbie is #1 on my wish list to Santa.

I know it's a lot to assume, but it fits in with the context of Booth of realizing that Brennan is the one/he can't move on/however you look at it...I just hope Booth brakes up with Hannah...because if Hannah is the one who does the braking up and then if B&B get together, we won't know if Booth really loves Brennan or if she's just a rebound. He has to come to the conclusion that Brennan is the one/can't move on/whatever and make his decesion.

I think you are right on the money there. I'm actually kind of curious to see how this all plays out. I still despise the storyline, but I'm really curious to see what Hannah is like. Will she fit in and accept the squints? Will she be ok with Booth's hours and "partner"? Will she play the part of the jealous girlfriend? Or will she be so sickingly sweet we can't help but actually "LIKE" ( ) her? How will the breakup go down? Will it be Booth or Hannah that breaks it off? Will it be mutual? Will it end on a really bad note? How will Brennan react once he's "back on the market"? How much damage will Booth have to repair with Brennan? Will Brennan, at any point, give Booth any hope of any kind of future between them? Because, if everything is going good with Hannah, and she makes him happy and all...Even with Brennan back in the picture-she already rejected him, so IMO in order for him to break it off with Hannah, he has to at least have SOME hope of working it out with Brennan. Sometimes you have to settle for 2nd best and why would he give up a good thing? (Unless Hannah is a complete RagHag to him in the real world)
And most importantly-Between B&B, who will pursue who? Will Brennan actually give in and fall? Will she realize that giving them a chance with the possibility of failing will be better than not knowing what could have been? Will we have forward progress before Booth needs viagra and a walker??
GAH. So many questions, so many possibilities. Yeah. Bring it on Hart

I think both characters have a part in this. Not only does Booth have to realize that he doesn’t just want “someone” to love him-he ONLY wants Brennan and make a DECESION. Brennan has to ADMIT that she’s in love with him…and that she has pretty much always been. They both of them have to come to their own conclusions-he has to realize that he ONLY wants Brennan/can’t move on/whatever and she has to admit that she’s in love with him. He’s just coming out of a relationship that he claims was happy, so he’s going to need to do some PURSUING too. If Brennan sees that Booth and Hannah are apparently “happy” together, she won’t believe that he’s in love with her when he gives his, “I don’t love Hannah, I love you,” speech…and she certainly won’t pursue him if she thinks that he’s in love with someone else…And if she realizes she loves him in the “solve your own murder” episode, she’s not going to tell Booth because HH or SN said, “she will keep this from Booth for as long as possible.” He’s going to have to do some explaining and PROVE his love for her (on a romantic note, maybe they will repeat the lines, ”Do you love me?” and “I want to prove it to you.”) I'm more worried about how Brennan's going to feel once Hannah leaves-because realistically, she would most likely put her walls back up if she sees that Booth/Hannah are apparently happy together, than go over to his apartment wearing nothing but a trench coat like everyone expects...so Booth is going to have to prove his love for her.

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:I think the "torpedo" means that Booth will brake up with Hannah. It may be wishful thinking, but I looked the definition up in the dictionary and it means-a thinn clindrical , self-propelled, underwater weapon OR to hit or destroy with. Booth has to brake up with her because he has to realize that Brennan is the one/Can't move on/whatever, so when (if) B&B ever get together, we will have no doubt that he loves Brennan and that she's not just a rebound...and then SN says, "He's moved on, but whether he continues to move on is another thing entirely." I think that Booth will realize that he can't move on/Brennan is the one/whatever and ended with Hannah.

That makes sense. Just wasn't the way I originally thought about it. But hey-Torpedo away Boothy-Boy Preferably by Thanksgiving. If not then dumping Barbie is #1 on my wish list to Santa.

I know it's a lot to assume, but it fits in with the context of Booth of realizing that Brennan is the one/he can't move on/however you look at it...I just hope Booth brakes up with Hannah...because if Hannah is the one who does the braking up and then if B&B get together, we won't know if Booth really loves Brennan or if she's just a rebound. He has to come to the conclusion that Brennan is the one/can't move on/whatever and make his decesion.

I think you are right on the money there. I'm actually kind of curious to see how this all plays out. I still despise the storyline, but I'm really curious to see what Hannah is like. Will she fit in and accept the squints? Will she be ok with Booth's hours and "partner"? Will she play the part of the jealous girlfriend? Or will she be so sickingly sweet we can't help but actually "LIKE" ( ) her? How will the breakup go down? Will it be Booth or Hannah that breaks it off? Will it be mutual? Will it end on a really bad note? How will Brennan react once he's "back on the market"? How much damage will Booth have to repair with Brennan? Will Brennan, at any point, give Booth any hope of any kind of future between them? Because, if everything is going good with Hannah, and she makes him happy and all...Even with Brennan back in the picture-she already rejected him, so IMO in order for him to break it off with Hannah, he has to at least have SOME hope of working it out with Brennan. Sometimes you have to settle for 2nd best and why would he give up a good thing? (Unless Hannah is a complete RagHag to him in the real world)
And most importantly-Between B&B, who will pursue who? Will Brennan actually give in and fall? Will she realize that giving them a chance with the possibility of failing will be better than not knowing what could have been? Will we have forward progress before Booth needs viagra and a walker??
GAH. So many questions, so many possibilities. Yeah. Bring it on Hart

Yeah, there's a lot of questions. I personally hope he doesn't dump Hannah because Brennan gives him some kind of green light to their relationship. I'm hoping he dumps her because it doesn't work - she's not what he wants. I also want Brennan to acknowledge she wants him - even if she DOESN'T believe he wants her, to me that's different than pursuing. Seems to me Brennan knows how to pursue; what to do when she acknowledges to herself she wants a guy. Booth with women...not so much. IMO, alll the relationships we've seen him in have been with assertive, confident women who go after what they want - like Cam. Booth goes over to tell her off - and instead ends up in bed with her. At the end of that scene it's Cam calling the shots. She's the one who says they shouldn't do it again - to which Booth agrees - and then initiates more sex, which he also agrees to. There's just something about Booth's "want me to prove it to you" line in season 4's finale that, to me, speaks about a dynamic that needs to occur.... Booth finding out (after dumping Raghag) that Brennan loves and desires him, but doubts HIS feelings for her, would give him confidence in pursuing her and knock out his insercurities. I think Brennan pursues because she likes to be in control. She needs to NOT be in control this time - let her be overwhelmed by Booth and her feelings for him. Emily says Brennan should "let herself fall, but falling isn't a choice, it just happens.

joybrennan wrote:

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:

MI_Bonesgirl wrote:

jro54 wrote:I think the "torpedo" means that Booth will brake up with Hannah. It may be wishful thinking, but I looked the definition up in the dictionary and it means-a thinn clindrical , self-propelled, underwater weapon OR to hit or destroy with. Booth has to brake up with her because he has to realize that Brennan is the one/Can't move on/whatever, so when (if) B&B ever get together, we will have no doubt that he loves Brennan and that she's not just a rebound...and then SN says, "He's moved on, but whether he continues to move on is another thing entirely." I think that Booth will realize that he can't move on/Brennan is the one/whatever and ended with Hannah.

That makes sense. Just wasn't the way I originally thought about it. But hey-Torpedo away Boothy-Boy Preferably by Thanksgiving. If not then dumping Barbie is #1 on my wish list to Santa.

I know it's a lot to assume, but it fits in with the context of Booth of realizing that Brennan is the one/he can't move on/however you look at it...I just hope Booth brakes up with Hannah...because if Hannah is the one who does the braking up and then if B&B get together, we won't know if Booth really loves Brennan or if she's just a rebound. He has to come to the conclusion that Brennan is the one/can't move on/whatever and make his decesion.

I think you are right on the money there. I'm actually kind of curious to see how this all plays out. I still despise the storyline, but I'm really curious to see what Hannah is like. Will she fit in and accept the squints? Will she be ok with Booth's hours and "partner"? Will she play the part of the jealous girlfriend? Or will she be so sickingly sweet we can't help but actually "LIKE" ( ) her? How will the breakup go down? Will it be Booth or Hannah that breaks it off? Will it be mutual? Will it end on a really bad note? How will Brennan react once he's "back on the market"? How much damage will Booth have to repair with Brennan? Will Brennan, at any point, give Booth any hope of any kind of future between them? Because, if everything is going good with Hannah, and she makes him happy and all...Even with Brennan back in the picture-she already rejected him, so IMO in order for him to break it off with Hannah, he has to at least have SOME hope of working it out with Brennan. Sometimes you have to settle for 2nd best and why would he give up a good thing? (Unless Hannah is a complete RagHag to him in the real world)
And most importantly-Between B&B, who will pursue who? Will Brennan actually give in and fall? Will she realize that giving them a chance with the possibility of failing will be better than not knowing what could have been? Will we have forward progress before Booth needs viagra and a walker??
GAH. So many questions, so many possibilities. Yeah. Bring it on Hart

Yeah, there's a lot of questions. I personally hope he doesn't dump Hannah because Brennan gives him some kind of green light to their relationship. I'm hoping he dumps her because it doesn't work - she's not what he wants. I also want Brennan to acknowledge she wants him - even if she DOESN'T believe he wants her, to me that's different than pursuing. Seems to me Brennan knows how to pursue; what to do when she acknowledges to herself she wants a guy. Booth with women...not so much. IMO, alll the relationships we've seen him in have been with assertive, confident women who go after what they want - like Cam. Booth goes over to tell her off - and instead ends up in bed with her. At the end of that scene it's Cam calling the shots. She's the one who says they shouldn't do it again - to which Booth agrees - and then initiates more sex, which he also agrees to. There's just something about Booth's "want me to prove it to you" line in season 4's finale that, to me, speaks about a dynamic that needs to occur.... Booth finding out (after dumping Raghag) that Brennan loves and desires him, but doubts HIS feelings for her, would give him confidence in pursuing her and knock out his insercurities. I think Brennan pursues because she likes to be in control. She needs to NOT be in control this time - let her be overwhelmed by Booth and her feelings for him. Emily says Brennan should "let herself fall, but falling isn't a choice, it just happens.

I should have been clearer about that. My brain was thinking faster than I could type LOL.
I agree that Booth has to realize it isn't working with Hannah-that she isn't what he really wants, or Hannah has to realize there is something more between B&B that they aren't letting on.. But will he know about Brennan's regrets? Will she slip and make a comment, or will he be able to see through her cracks? But what I meant was based on the sides-either ep 1 or 2, Booth's conversation with Sweets about how it just about killed him to leave Hannah behind and she makes him happy and blah blah blah. That coupled with SN saying basically it was out of sight out of mind for Booth in Afghanistan, but Brennan's presence will affect him when they are back in DC. If Hannah makes him so "happy" why give that up for something you know you can't have. Granted alot of time can pass between eps 1 and 6 or 8 or however long she's around. Basically what I was getting at is if he is giving up Hannah he better be damn sure about Brennan, and be willing to fight for her. Not give up the minute she says she can't change.
That being said, I think they both need to do a little pursuing. Brennan needs to make it known that her feelings for him have shifted beyond partnership. Booth needs to prove that SHE is the ONE. I can still see them dancing around their feelings the rest of this season. Mixed signals, and neither willing to crack. You know, just so the writers can keep them apart if nothing else.
The way I look at it-by the end of this season, B&B should both be able to admit at least to themselves that they want each other. I'm not sure where else the writers can go with this. You can only resist and drag your feet and throw up roadblocks for so long. I can think up things they could do, but they need to keep it beliveable too. This whole Hannah storyline, as much as I hate it, and for as many other ways as they could have gone at the end of last season, it does make sense. It's believeable. That's the only thing that hasn't totally turned me off the show yet-I can understand it from the point of where they have these characters. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

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joybrennan wrote:Who says voicing complaints doesn't affect things - when were the tubeys out - the 24th? Then there was ausiello's poll about the poster which, if you read through the commentary about the promo and not about posters yelling at each other, were largely negative about it, the 100th, the rumored girlfriend and general direction of the show. Less than a WEEK later, this comes out. Talk about a 180 degree turn in media tone. .

Now, are they just changing advertising strategy, or actually shifting direction? Let's hope actual direction. Shot or not; any episode's tone can be shifted in editting.

I'm confused as to how you get that it's a change in advertising/media tone or that the show is changing direction. We've known all along that Hannah was only temporary and that the relationship, once brought back to the real world of DC, would change and have challenges once Brennan was put into the mix. The whole "Will Booth really ever be able to move on" thing has been stated even before the end of last season.

I got the change in direction thing because the mainstream media blitzes and promos have been emphasizing the WON'T THEY aspects of things. We are spoiler informed folks. The average viewer probably heard about Booth's girlfriend with tbe mainstream Comic Con stuff - which were not very positive about B&B anytime soon. Then these promos come out that emphasis Booth with Raghag. If I DIDN'T know she was with the "Booth's moved on" theory. Especially since the fountain scene spoken about at the end of five isn't mentioned in the promos. Heck, even among the spoiler crowd I would say there's a majority who have felt that the info being given was negative for a B&B relationship anytime soon. The fact that something as mainstream as TV guide is going, "hey, it looks bad, but don't worrry, Booth is going to TORPEDO what you've been seeing in the promos" is, IMO, a huge shift in media promotion, which COULD mean they've decided teasing about Booth moving on was a bad idea, and that dragging out will they/won't they could cut into their audience/rating share.

I took the "Booth will torpedo this relationship" with Hannah thing to mean that he'll do something or not do something that causes Hannah to leave him. That he'll screw it up because he's not over Bones yet.


Edited to add ... just 4 new episodes before the baseball break? Geez, it's been a while since I've watched a Fox show. Anyone else old enough to remember the year the X-Files didn't even premiere until after the World Series, in like November 20-something? I thought I would die of withdraws that summer/fall.

^Ha ha. I think we pretty much agree on everything. I don't want Booth to break up Hannah just because Brennan gives him the green light either. I want him to break up with Hannah because he comes to the conclusion that Brennan is the ONE...he needs to come to that conclusion and make a decision...but Brennan has to admit she's in love with him wayyyy before that. Bottom line, they both need to do some pursuing-Booth needs to realize that Hannah is not working out and he has to be willing to fight for Brennan even if she says she can't change...and Brennan needs to be able to admit that she's in love with Booth.

Wow HH is playing everyone like a fiddle.He even got Howard Stern to play along! King of all Media!!

bailey wrote:I took the "Booth will torpedo this relationship" with Hannah thing to mean that he'll do something or not do something that causes Hannah to leave him. That he'll screw it up because he's not over Bones yet.

EXACTLY. There's nothing in the promos (thus far) that indicates that idea. The TV guide thing says that despite how it seems in the promos, don't worry, Booth's. not staying with the blonde creature you've seen him with."

Edited to add ... just 4 new episodes before the baseball break? Geez, it's been a while since I've watched a Fox show. Anyone else old enough to remember the year the X-Files didn't even premiere until after the World Series, in like November 20-something? I thought I would die of withdraws that summer/fall.