S6E07 "The Babe in the Bar" sides

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

The lines are:
Brennan: He killed her because he loved her?
Booth: He fell in love with a fake. When he found out, he couldn’t handle it.

He killed her because she deceived him.

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

The lines are:
Brennan: He killed her because he loved her?
Booth: He fell in love with a fake. When he found out, he couldn’t handle it.

He killed her because she deceived him.

OK, this^ is not helping. Like, REALLY? If someone isn't what you thought you have the right to KILL them?

There BETTER be more. Even if HH is using it to foreshadow the fate of Hannah - that better not stand as being a choice out of having been in love. You fight, you break up, sure. You KILL them?

^ I haven't read the sides Joy, but does Booth imply somehow that it's OK that someone was murdered for being deceitful, or is it just that line? cause if that's all it is, I can see Booth just saying that was the killers motivation ( he usually always talks about the killers motivation) , not that he thinks it's ok.

treble21 wrote:^ I haven't read the sides Joy, but does Booth imply somehow that it's OK that someone was murdered for being deceitful, or is it just that line? cause if that's all it is, I can see Booth just saying that was the killers motivation ( he usually always talks about the killers motivation) , not that he thinks it's ok.

I think that is exactly what it is Treble...Booth explaining to Brennan the killers motivation, not that he approves it....we know Booth is always big into the "why" of things. I think it's just another case of blowing a tiny little tidbit way out of proportion...

And treble, we don't know if there is anything more to it because that was the end of the sides...but it was the first lines of a conversation that Booth and Brennan were having while walking to FF, I'm assuming for their post case drink...

joybrennan wrote:

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

The lines are:
Brennan: He killed her because he loved her?
Booth: He fell in love with a fake. When he found out, he couldn’t handle it.

He killed her because she deceived him.

OK, this^ is not helping. Like, REALLY? If someone isn't what you thought you have the right to KILL them?

There BETTER be more. Even if HH is using it to foreshadow the fate of Hannah - that better not stand as being a choice out of having been in love. You fight, you break up, sure. You KILL them?

Well she also was a spy for a rival candy maker and took his recipes - so she also destroyed his business. How are you reading this as someone saying that it's ok to kill someone because of deceit? Booth is simply clarifying motivation for the killer - not endorsing it. Understanding why someone does something isn't the same as excusing it.

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I see some possible projecting by Brennan in these sides as her maybe seeing herself as Geneva, Booth as Lawrence and Hannah as Harriett. But if that's true then it looks more like the first indication of jealousy on Brennan's part that we have seen, not a foreshadowing of what happens to Hannah. I don't see any reason to believe Hannah's anything other than the real deal, although maybe there is a point where Brennan doesn't believe that.

joybrennan wrote:

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

treble21 wrote:

joybrennan wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I didn't say it it referenced either of them. In fact, it's the idea of that line BEING USED TO EDUCATE BRENNAN ABOUT LOVE that is so disturbing. Stalkers, men who end up killing their wivies in domestic violence incidents - that's the kind of reasoning they use. It's not romantic, and it's certainly NOTHING to do with love. That is is EDUCATING Brennan is - I'm gonna go with Bailey on this one (don't faint ). There has to be something after that line that counters or explains why those words are coming out of Booth's mouth.

yeah it's disturbing and IF that is the line I'm with you in the anger department, but I agree with bailey I think there is more to that scene than just that line, I can't imagine Booth thinking that was love.

The lines are:
Brennan: He killed her because he loved her?
Booth: He fell in love with a fake. When he found out, he couldn’t handle it.

He killed her because she deceived him.

OK, this^ is not helping. Like, REALLY? If someone isn't what you thought you have the right to KILL them?

There BETTER be more. Even if HH is using it to foreshadow the fate of Hannah - that better not stand as being a choice out of having been in love. You fight, you break up, sure. You KILL them?

He's explaining why the guy did it. He's not saying he approves of it. There's a difference.

treble21 wrote:^ I haven't read the sides Joy, but does Booth imply somehow that it's OK that someone was murdered for being deceitful, or is it just that line? cause if that's all it is, I can see Booth just saying that was the killers motivation ( he usually always talks about the killers motivation) , not that he thinks it's ok.

Thanks treble21. I know I have sensitivity in this area. When I saw then promoting the ep as Booth teaches Brennan about love and then hit that line, the juxtaposition of ideas probably set me off. I'm sure Booth. will go on to say that his explanation was how the perp was thinking - and that his behavior shows it wasn't love at all. He'll probably go on about trust, honesty - you know normal Booth. I guess because IMO they've screwed around with his character so much in the last year, anything seems possible.

a_rangergrl2 wrote:

jro54 wrote:I don't think the "He killed her because he loved her" line in the sides is any reference to Hannah or Brennan...but I could be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see how it's delievered...but I think the line has to do with Brennan's education about love. That seems to be an ongoing theme season.

I see some possible projecting by Brennan in these sides as her maybe seeing herself as Geneva, Booth as Lawrence and Hannah as Harriett. But if that's true then it looks more like the first indication of jealousy on Brennan's part that we have seen, not a foreshadowing of what happens to Hannah. I don't see any reason to believe Hannah's anything other than the real deal, although maybe there is a point where Brennan doesn't believe that.

The RagHag later turning out not to be what she seems have been spoiler tidbits from HH and David - of course, I should probably discount David. Whether it's true - [Only admins are allowed to see this image][Only admins are allowed to see this link] alt="" />

joybrennan wrote:

treble21 wrote:^ I haven't read the sides Joy, but does Booth imply somehow that it's OK that someone was murdered for being deceitful, or is it just that line? cause if that's all it is, I can see Booth just saying that was the killers motivation ( he usually always talks about the killers motivation) , not that he thinks it's ok.

Thanks treble21. I know I have sensitivity in this area. When I saw then promoting the ep as Booth teaches Brennan about love and then hit that line, the juxtaposition of ideas probably set me off. I'm sure Booth. will go on to say that his explanation was how the perp was thinking - and that his behavior shows it wasn't love at all. He'll probably go on about trust, honesty - you know normal Booth. I guess because IMO they've screwed around with his character so much in the last year, anything seems possible.

You know I'm the one that first said this was part of Brennan's education on love but I didn't neccesarily mean it the way it was taken. I'm not saying Booth was promoting that this was all right, or that this was what love was actually about ... but perhaps he is trying to explain that sometimes people do things like this when they think they're in love, when in reality it's obsession (as you said earlier Joy).

Because I can see the wheels in Brennan's head going, "Wait, but he loved her, why'd he kill her?"

And Booth explaining, "Yea, he loved her Bones, but he wasn't a good person, he snapped, he had mental issues and that is not what normally happens when you love someone. It doesn't mean you shouldn't give someone a chance, in most cases they aren't actually going to kill you."


Does that make sense???

I think the line is simply trying to indicate the nature of deception in love (not endorsing murder in any way).

I see it as Booth indicating to the audience that on some level he's deceiving himself that he can be happy with Hannah when we know Bones is the only one for him.

I wouldn't take it any farther than that. [Only admins are allowed to see this image]

ReginaPhalange wrote:I think the line is simply trying to indicate the nature of deception in love (not endorsing murder in any way).

I see it as Booth indicating to the audience that on some level he's deceiving himself that he can be happy with Catherine when we know Bones is the only one for him.

I wouldn't take it any farther than that. [Only admins are allowed to see this image]

who is Catherine? did you mean Hannah?

Whoops! Yep - I meant Hannah. Can't keep all of Booth's women straight. [Only admins are allowed to see this image] [Only admins are allowed to see this image] I fixed the post!